Got the Rejection Letter from Usairways

[General Lee]

Hi Field Narshall. They really aren't jobs. I own the business's and I can run them from the great hotels I get to spend time in and even while pax are boarding I will answer the phone. I'm a little surprised by the responses to my post. Are you really against a pilot having a side biz? What if I lose my medical? I'm prepared for that.

Hey, if you can run 5 businesses while flying your plane, I'm impressed. Good for you Ronald Chump. But, if your East group accepted the BINDING AWRD called the NIC Award and then moved on like every other pilot group that has accepted binding arbitration, you might be able to drop one of the five businesses and make more pilot pay, and move on. Do the right thing.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[charlie2]

Oh give it a rest. You would do the same thing if your lousy union stood by and left you hanging in the wind. And repeatedly proposing that pay raises are available for a forfeiture of seniority is ignorant--they aren't. ALPA decided years ago to pit pilot groups against each other at the expense of each other---name an industry were union members perform the same job but can make less than $10k to more than $250k... For the same skill.

Pilots are gonna bitch at each other. It's systemic to the game ALPA chose. Whatever, drool over every new ALPA magazine or spend time building other streams of income. It's your choice. :lol:

I guess the original paradigm was that if you are flying a bigger airplane and you are making more money for the company and have a bigger responsibilty then you should be compensated more. So a 330 pilot who flys 285 pax to Germany and then 30 hours later flys another 285 pax back is worth more then I am? In that same three day period I flew 1200 pax. I made more revenue for the company...Thanks ALPA.

 

[charlie2]

Hey, if you can run 5 businesses while flying your plane, I'm impressed. Good for you Ronald Chump. But, if your East group accepted the BINDING AWRD called the NIC Award and then moved on like every other pilot group that has accepted binding award, you might be able to drop one of the five businesses and make more pilot pay, and move on. Do the right thing.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Ok I'll push the button. OK now the nic is the list but I'm not going to give up any of my other incomes. The nic is binding but there has to be a ratification of a contract (which part of that are you not tracking on?) and so far there is nothing even remotely close to being acceptable so why Field Marshall are you saying that I have to give up my outstanding rights under the RLA and just vote yes on the trash the AWA ex-con and his team are pushing on us?

 

[HA25]

Oh give it a rest. You would do the same thing if your lousy union stood by and left you hanging in the wind. And repeatedly proposing that pay raises are available for a forfeiture of seniority is ignorant--they aren't. ALPA decided years ago to pit pilot groups against each other at the expense of each other---name an industry were union members perform the same job but can make less than $10k to more than $250k... For the same skill.

Pilots are gonna bitch at each other. It's systemic to the game ALPA chose. Whatever, drool over every new ALPA magazine or spend time building other streams of income. It's your choice. :lol:

It's clear that everyone else who's looked at this case finds you USAir East, to be in the wrong... your company was bankrupt and couldn't pay it's bills, and was going to miss paying your pay... America West came in and bought it and called it a merger... This is much like TWA and American, and nothing like Reno/American or Morris/Southwest & Airtran/Southwest.. There is precedent and it's not the first time this happened, yet you guys got your ego's and won't accept that America West saved your arse.... If Hawaiian were to swoop in and buy American in BK (impossible due to to the restructuring costs, but just to make the point), I would expect nothing more for the American pilots than a 1:1 SLI.... if on the other hand it was a merger of equals, then a DOH might make more sense.. This isn't rocket science and the longer it takes you to realize it, the longer you'll go on making startup Allegiant type wages/work rules at a legacy airline...

it's you who needs to give it a rest and move forward, so we can reunite as ONE union and get this profession back on the road.

 

[relief tube]

I was a FO on the jungle jet for a 121 carrier and had over 1000 SIC time on it. I don't know what they are looking for. I have a 4 year degree, 121 experience, jet time.

General Lee exactly what other position would i want to apply for. I guess things happen for a reason and perhaps it is better for me. I try to stay positive

1000 SIC.....that means about a year at a regional. Sorry but that's not competitive at all.

 

[Turtle21]

It's clear that everyone else who's looked at this case finds you USAir East, to be in the wrong... your company was bankrupt and couldn't pay it's bills, and was going to miss paying your pay... America West came in and bought it and called it a merger... This is much like TWA and American, and nothing like Reno/American or Morris/Southwest & Airtran/Southwest.. There is precedent and it's not the first time this happened, yet you guys got your ego's and won't accept that America West saved your arse.... If Hawaiian were to swoop in and buy American in BK (impossible due to to the restructuring costs, but just to make the point), I would expect nothing more for the American pilots than a 1:1 SLI.... if on the other hand it was a merger of equals, then a DOH might make more sense.. This isn't rocket science and the longer it takes you to realize it, the longer you'll go on making startup Allegiant type wages/work rules at a legacy airline...

it's you who needs to give it a rest and move forward, so we can reunite as ONE union and get this profession back on the road.

:lol: :lol: Thou dost protest too much. Relax already and enjoy the holidays. Happy new year!

 

[Monster Buck]

Hi Field Narshall. They really aren't jobs. I own the business's and I can run them from the great hotels I get to spend time in and even while pax are boarding I will answer the phone. I'm a little surprised by the responses to my post. Are you really against a pilot having a side biz? What if I lose my medical? I'm prepared for that.

you initially went down the path of needing not choosing 2 very separate things

 

[charlie2]

you initially went down the path of needing not choosing 2 very separate things

Huh? I'm a retired military officer, a business owner, a volunteer in my community and oh ya a pilot for a lousy company run by the AWA ex-con drunkin CEO...2 paths?

 

[HA25]

:lol: :lol: Thou dost protest too much. Relax already and enjoy the holidays. Happy new year!

Thanks, you too!

 

[jonjuan]

1000 SIC.....that means about a year at a regional. Sorry but that's not competitive at all.

Quite a few at dal with those numbers.

 

[HA25]

Quite a few at dal with those numbers.

I'd be willing to best that the majority are female.

 

[Scoot 11]

Hi Field Narshall. They really aren't jobs. I own the business's and I can run them from the great hotels I get to spend time in and even while pax are boarding I will answer the phone. I'm a little surprised by the responses to my post. Are you really against a pilot having a side biz? What if I lose my medical? I'm prepared for that.

So you are going to put your families welfare in the hands of your decision making? Good luck with that.
In the meantime, how about the other quagmire that your pilot group has put on this industry. Your industry dragging pay and work rules?

 

[charlie2]

So you are going to put your families welfare in the hands of your decision making? Good luck with that.
In the meantime, how about the other quagmire that your pilot group has put on this industry. Your industry dragging pay and work rules?

It sounds like you want us to vote in a lousy contract that has a few bucks more an hour to help you out? With the governments help our wonderful management is not backing off the Kirby Proposal. The "Term Sheet" or MOU with AA pilots is similiar. Instead of making vague statements like "your pilot group..." why don't you be more specific and explain to our pilot group why you think a contract with no scope, no min fleet and no min utilization rates is a good thing. It is a fact that we have min utilization rates in our current contract and the company violated it and we won that arbitration a few years ago. So if it's not even in the contract why would you believe that they would properly utilize the only money maker in the company? I'm sorry we do charge for beer so flying the planes isn't the only money maker...but you don't really think people would board the aircraft just to buy a beer and then leave do you? My prediction is you wont have any thing to say about this post. My guess is you don't even understand min utilization rates do you.

 

[HA25]

It sounds like you want us to vote in a lousy contract that has a few bucks more an hour to help you out?

You guys are making $62/hr less than every other A330 current contract, and $40/hr less than our 3 year old contract.... I'd hardly call that a few bucks..

Nevermind the work rules..

 

[Scoot 11]

It sounds like you want us to vote in a lousy contract that has a few bucks more an hour to help you out? With the governments help our wonderful management is not backing off the Kirby Proposal. The "Term Sheet" or MOU with AA pilots is similiar. Instead of making vague statements like "your pilot group..." why don't you be more specific and explain to our pilot group why you think a contract with no scope, no min fleet and no min utilization rates is a good thing. It is a fact that we have min utilization rates in our current contract and the company violated it and we won that arbitration a few years ago. So if it's not even in the contract why would you believe that they would properly utilize the only money maker in the company? I'm sorry we do charge for beer so flying the planes isn't the only money maker...but you don't really think people would board the aircraft just to buy a beer and then leave do you? My prediction is you wont have any thing to say about this post. My guess is you don't even understand min utilization rates do you.

Ok, let's look at the "few bucks more an hour" you're talking about, K?

All 12th yr pay rates: Per hour
Airbus 330
LCC = $160
DAL = $222
UAL = $235 (764 rates at DAL pay banded with 330 rates)

B737

LCC = $125
DAL = $188
UAL = $189

You're not even close. You haven't negotiated with the west pilots in good faith in over 5 years. Your union hijacked the pilot group and has got more DFR lawsuits against it than ALPA has in its history!
What I can't understand is you talk about Parker like he's the enemy, and I agree with you, however you're treatment of the west pilots is more of how you should be treating Parker.
You're not even in the ball park! So don't talk to me about min utilization until you bring your gutter wages, and work rules into this century!