good things at Avantair

[NJA bound]

how long does it take to upgrade to left seat? get used to that right seat you are going to be there for a long, long time. All the while we will be earning more flying left seat. Oh wait can you set the localizer frequency for me

That made a whole lot of sense, what is it your Capts. are pulling in right now, 40K last I heard. I am doing better than that right now. Even if it takes 6 years to upgrade, I'll be content making 60K plus flying from the right seat 15 days a month, don't know how you all single pilot plane jockeys do it at Avantair, but the copilots do fly the plane at NetJets.

And once I do get in the left seat my salary will double again, what is it you're making over there again? LOL

 

[netjetwife]

What a bunch of tap dancing. Are the union dues not going somehere? All of a sudden you have no interest? It is OK for union ofiicials to get fat off of the hard earned wages of pilots? You know exactly what I am asking and we are smart enough to know why you won't answer the question.

What a bunch of crap.

EXCUSE ME?! I take back what I said about you having manners! I thought my wifely pride would make it plain to you where my interest lies! I had spelled it out for you quite plainly--my heart is with our L-O-C-A-L! There are some talented, dedicated pilots there working for the good of all NJ families. My family has made huge sacrifices so that my husband can donate time to 1108. I have NO interest in any of the politics involved. I trust the leadership of 1108 because I know many of them. I trust my husband's judgment in the matter. I trust the fact that over 2000 families are better off today than they were last year. If some of their dues went to the Teamsters-so be it! Most of the money remains in the Local and is well accounted for. I discuss the issues with my husband and the human interest side of things. I can assure you that we have heard no complaints, other than your own.

I take pride in my integrity. If I knew the salaries you are asking about, I would post them. I heard that Boisture made 1.2 Million last year. To me that is far more relevant. I know that many NJ pilots worked hard for HIS money. NJ pilots/spouses are wiling to pay their union dues/job security costs and consider it a good investment. I do believe that I know more about the inner workings of 1108 than many others here. They have come far in a short time. Let's give them credit--and a break!

Proud to belong to 1108,
Netjetwife

PS I believe that I have paid my "dues"! Do you wish to question that as well?

 

[netjetwife]

so ce750drvr what is all that money used for. It is so interesting to me that all of a sudden NetJet wife went away and we have the first year NetJet FO who doubled his salary and the union rep who works for free responding. The teamsters are good real good. Keep up the propaganda parade. Fast responses too a minute apart.

the card gains more dust

I took the time to make an intelligent post. Had you done likewise, yours would have made more sense. What are you asking?! I thought you were asking about the portion of the dues that 1108 turns over to the Teamsters. I see it as analogous to the money fast food restaurants pay to a franchise rather than go it alone. If you were asking what the NJ pilots make that serve as Volunteers, the answer is - -their salary as a NJ pilot and not a dime more! In fact, many of them, GAVE the Local money to get it on its feet--my family included. Next time you want to ask me a question-ASK IT- -and don't beat around the bush with your insulting insinuations.

 

[angryoneincher]

I couldn't agree more. I know for a fact ss has been working with cm for over a month on salary and benefit increases and there is more to come. My card will gather dust while I wait and see what happens. Let's be vocal next week and see if the new owner responds. I also agree NJ Pilots stay off this site. We will handle this on our own. Sorry that the two pilots were fired but lets be real we all flew with them and they were the two most negative people I have ever meet.

SS has said one more than occasion, " F pilots, they're a dime a dozen." IVE HEARD THAT LINE COME OUT OF HIS MOUTH, NOT JUST ONCE BUT TWO OR THREE TIMES. If disagreeing with that kind of talk makes you negative, then I'm next in line to fired. This salary increase is another typical example of them moving only when they have to prevent a union or a mass exodus.

Didnt want to make this about the two guys that got fired again, but its been noted that CM and TC were strangly absent during this whole thing. Not a single phone call before or after. No words of advice or a friendly phone call to say " You know, we've worked together a long time and here's what being said about you two, can we talk about this?" Thanks, CM, guess we know whose campfire you've decided to stoke. Hope it was and will be worth it for you.

 

[angryoneincher]

Sorry that the two pilots were fired but lets be real we all flew with them and they were the two most negative people I have ever meet.

Oh and one more thing. Since this new pay package was rolled out and promises of more to follow is all of a sudden " in the air " that would mean they know it was deserved. How would these two pilots talking about such issues, if they even were, make them negative? That would only mean they were discussing facts, which in essence mangagement is agreeing to by quickly trying to improve things. I'm glad improvements are being made- but that doesnt mean that events that have already transpired were right. But you have a right to your opinion. Somebody has to defend pilot salaries that are lower than a Burger King manager.

 

[rway36]

The Good Things

So........back to the original post....

What are the good things about the company for a prospective new hire?

New Pay?
Schedule?

 

[ilikecheese]

What are the good things about the company for a prospective new hire?

The good feeling you get when you quit.

 

[piaggiop180]

rway36 there are alot of good things. You get to work for a growing company with alot of teamwork. Don't be fooled by the negative posts and the propaganda. 90 percent of the pilots here love their job at Avantair. We are seeking a pay raise and I bet we will get it. Yesterday co-pilot pay was increased, our perdiem was raised to 2 dollars per hour and overtime raised. We have the best pilot group I have ever been around. This company is on the right track and will be here for a long time. No worries about the doors closing. They just set a record for sales in their catagory. I think 4 or 5 planes this month.

It is funny but I have not heard of anyone quitting during my time here. In fact I have been here over a year and this is the first time I have heard of a pilot getting fired. Having flown with the two pilots in question and listened to some of the things they have said I was not surprised.

Don't believe the bs about the ceo making statements that pilots are a dime a dozen that was sent out to all pilots days ago with a union card. The union uses this tactic to make people get emotional so that they send in their card.
It didn't work I have talked to at least 10 pilots who say right thru it. It is a smart workforce here and we will all see success

 

[piaggiop180]

Netjet wife. How can you not care about the union higher ups getting rich on that hard earned money. Yet you care so much about the higher ups at netjets getting rich. Maybe now that you are so happy with the new union deal you can concentrate your efforts and lowering the outragiously high union dues that the nj pilots pay.

If the NJ pilots are so happy why are they still on this board bitching all the time?

 

[ilikecheese]

It is funny but I have not heard of anyone quitting during my time here. In fact I have been here over a year and this is the first time I have heard of a pilot getting fired.

Jeebus! You need to lay off the Kool-Aid that's stored in the Piaggio... it's obviously laced. Would you like a list of names?

 

[gunfyter]

Jolimon, I must confess to having an emotional reaction to you posted, incorrect data based on an unfair biased against the NJ pilots' union-- Local 1108. I started my post with out finishing (reading) yours first, so I failed to see your expressed wish to an exclusive thread.

No deal. Jolimon butt in many times attacking NJ teamsters over the last year.

If you dont like what I say... just hit the ignore button buddy. In the mean time...

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE
YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED​

 

[piaggiop180]

ilikecheese. We all know the names they tried last year too and are extremelly vocal. I bet management knows there names as well. If management was so worried they would have fired them when they fired the other two. Lets see what happens next week who knows maybe our salaries will get increased and we will be happy. I personally love flying for the company. It is exiting to watch it grow well the other fractionals are stuck in the mud.

I have to go fly now. Another great day flying the best aircraft in the industry

 

[ilikecheese]

ilikecheese. We all know the names they tried last year too and are extremelly vocal. I bet management knows there names as well. If management was so worried they would have fired them when they fired the other two. Lets see what happens next week who knows maybe our salaries will get increased and we will be happy. I personally love flying for the company. It is exiting to watch it grow well the other fractionals are stuck in the mud.

I have to go fly now. Another great day flying the best aircraft in the industry

First you don't know of anybody getting fired. Now you know of a few from last year. Open your eyes. How many chief pilots have you had in the year you've been with the company? Did you think they all retired or something?

If you like working for them... good for you. But open your eyes to the shenanigans... it's not only limited to pilots.

 

[hyper]

Wow. What a sh!t storm we have here....

Well, it looks like some things are improving for the avantair team. It didn't come quietly.

Anyways, maybe things are turning for the better with the new owner. But when you finally do get your new payscale, don't runoff with it like a kid that got an A on a test. make sure you look at it with some bias. You've been working for very sub-par wages since the company's inception......years ago. Throw a cracker to someone starving in the desert and he'll love you for it, but it's still just a cracker.

Look at it and see what you'll be making in a few years and how long it'll take to get what you feel you're worth. Now compare that to CJ or NJA. Don't listen to the old BS "it's a turboprop", yea, faster than half of what CS has, 2 extra levers, no FADEC, and it's part 23. Read: ain't goin anywhere not cleaned up and you'll be busy doin it. In addition, I'll bet it's the squirliest MFer on the ground. That turboprop pay thing came from back in the kingair days.

The perdiem bump is nice, but aren't the CS guys making like 2.55-2.60 something like that. I've paid for my own food on the road with the old perdiem many times.....who can eat decent off of $37 a day?

Policy, policy, policy.....3-4 years and still not a vaca,sick,etc. policy?

What 5 CPs and 3-4 DOs in the past 1.5-2 years?

Hey, I know, they're tryin' and that's a good thing. I hope for the best for the pilots......and those that work hard in the office. But like someone said earlier, send in your cards, see what they come up with and if they still pull your chain with some "compromising" scale/schedule (like they have every other time) vote yes. if you're happy with it, vote no. That simple really.

 

[angryoneincher]

Having flown with the two pilots in question and listened to some of the things they have said I was not surprised.

Both pilots were IOE captains so its very unlikely that you flew with both of them. Unlikely that you that you flew with either of them, since you sound like a management plant. Both pilots received an overwhelming amount of phone calls from other pilots and the scheduling dept. expressing regret that they were gone so what does that tell you?

 

[angryoneincher]

oops that first sentence in the last post was a quote from piaggiop180

 

[Noodles]

I personally love flying for the company. It is exiting to watch it grow well the other fractionals are stuck in the mud.

Is this your first job where they pay you to fly? If you really like this company that much, I think it's time for a random drug test because you are certainly on something.

I have to go fly now. Another great day flying the best aircraft in the industry

Best aircraft in the industry?? Are you serious???? The only things going for this aircraft are speed and fuel effeciency. It can't carry much and go very far. You can't MEL anything. It's always breaking. The GPS sucks, the cockpit layout is terrible, and there should only be 2 levers to push rather than 4.

I go back to what I said earlier, put down the kool-aid and take a step back and join reality.

 

[cornfed]

tap tap tap. Lets try again do you know the salaries of any of the union officials?

I know this is going a ways back in the thread but....

I dont care if SS makes 10 Million a year as long as I am paid a great wage and I am well taken care of!

But when the higher ups get all the candy and we get anchovies (no offense to people who like them) thats when I get mad.

I just want someone working for my well being.

 

[cornfed]

Best aircraft in the industry?? Are you serious???? The only things going for this aircraft are speed and fuel effeciency. It can't carry much and go very far. You can't MEL anything. It's always breaking. The GPS sucks, the cockpit layout is terrible, and there should only be 2 levers to push rather than 4.

Dont trash the plane! I also love it!

 

[Autoparts2]

New Hiring Minimums for FO's

Posted on climbto350 today
FO pay and Quals.


ATP
2500 tt
1000 multi
250 Inst.
FCC Lic.
250 in the last 12 months
First Class Med

New Bases in DFW, ORD, & DEN

7.5 on/ 6.5 off

All for $30000.00

WoW.....Flying a Turbo Prop