Gojet Class Starts

[PCL_128]

Some of these pilots applying at Goet might have been hauling boxes when you were still in Jr. High.

What does that matter? Many of the scumbags that crossed at CAL and EAL had been paying dues for decades too. Does that make it ok? This is nothing but an attempt to break the union at TSA. No pilot should put up with crap and defend the slime that takes these jobs.

 

[100LL... Again!]

If we are talking about scabbing, then no.

If we are talking about GoJet, then Yes, because gojet is not scabbing (yet).

This is funny coming from you, being so green to the industry. When you are on your second or third furlough, you may feel differently. After all, you were a PFT'er right? It is certainly in your personality to lookout for yourself first, without regard for the ramifications.

If we are to forgive a low-time job-buyer, then we can forgive a high-timer who needs a job. Until it IS scabbing, it is NOT scabbing. And you're just too much a noob in this biz to be calling anyone a scumbag, Mr. big-shot ALPA guy. When you've been a real pilot a little longer, we can talk. I'm tempted to apply at gojet just to tick you off.

Besides, ALPA totally forgave an airline full of real scabs, so what the he11!
Let's just all get along!

 

[ILStoMinimums]

GoJets will probably get integrated into TSA eventually, just like Freedom and Mesa.

 

[PCL_128]

If we are talking about scabbing, then no.

If we are talking about GoJet, then Yes, because gojet is not scabbing (yet).

It might as well be. It's no different than Freedumb. They aren't SCABs, but they're pretty much just as bad.

This is funny coming from you, being so green to the industry. When you are on your second or third furlough, you may feel differently.

I think 5 years in the industry is enough to have an opinion on the situation. Do I need to have a 25 year pin to be able to give an opinion in your mind? I guess only the senior pilots at the majors are good enough to speak up, right?

If we are to forgive a low-time job-buyer, then we can forgive a high-timer who needs a job. Until it IS scabbing, it is NOT scabbing. And you're just too much a noob in this biz to be calling anyone a scumbag, Mr. big-shot ALPA guy. When you've been a real pilot a little longer, we can talk. I'm tempted to apply at gojet just to tick you off.

Please, go apply at GoJets so you can be blacklisted. Don't let me stop you.

There are plenty of places that high-time pilots who need jobs can go. Pinnacle, Skywest, Mesaba, Comair, ASA, Tradewinds, Capital, Kalitta, (should I go on?) are all hiring pilots into legitimate jobs. Pinnacle may suck, but coming to work here is much better than becoming a pseudo-SCAB at BloJets.

 

[100LL... Again!]

And start at the bottom after years of service?

By the way, how long have you held a 121 checkout?

 

[PCL_128]

And start at the bottom after years of service?

Where do you think they'll end up after the grievance is won and TSA integrates BloJets into their list just like Freedumb and Mesa did? They'll be right back at the bottom of the list, but they'll be stuck at TSA for the rest of their lives because they'll be blacklisted.

By the way, how long have you held a 121 checkout?

February '01.

 

[100LL... Again!]

How long since you weren't paying for it?

 

[100LL... Again!]

I really don't want to be an a-hole, especially since you are a conservative, but come on, man. Some of us those guys have been pilots for years and would like to avoid a complete start-over.

Why should they come over and be junior to a PFT'er?

 

[PCL_128]

How long since you weren't paying for it?

If you mean when did I start at some place other than GIA, then that would be May '02. Any other questions?

 

[PCL_128]

I really don't want to be an a-hole

Really? Since when? Just kidding.

Some of us those guys have been pilots for years and would like to avoid a complete start-over.

I understand that. It's terrible for a guy that's been doing this for decades to get screwed and have to start all over at the bottom. Unfortunately, that's how our system works in this industry. It's not always fair, but it's just the way it is. Trying to get around that by screwing over the TSA pilots is not the way to go.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Easy for you to say.

If they can undi a bit of the unfairness by getting a ground-level position, so what.

And like I said, ALPA forgave all kinds of REAL scabs, so what is the point?
Other than scabbing, you must look out for yourself.

You are offering nothing but a pat on the back. That doesn't go very far.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

If we are talking about scabbing, then no.

If we are talking about GoJet, then Yes, because gojet is not scabbing (yet).

This is funny coming from you, being so green to the industry. When you are on your second or third furlough, you may feel differently. After all, you were a PFT'er right? It is certainly in your personality to lookout for yourself first, without regard for the ramifications.

If we are to forgive a low-time job-buyer, then we can forgive a high-timer who needs a job. Until it IS scabbing, it is NOT scabbing. And you're just too much a noob in this biz to be calling anyone a scumbag, Mr. big-shot ALPA guy. When you've been a real pilot a little longer, we can talk. I'm tempted to apply at gojet just to tick you off.

Besides, ALPA totally forgave an airline full of real scabs, so what the he11!
Let's just all get along!

Well said.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Hey!! You're not supposed to agree with me. I'm an eeeeevil conservative.

 

[Bankangle]

100LL...Again...

Your right on..... I have seen how ALPA treats the regionals over the years. Experienced it first hand. They can careless about anyone flying at a regional/commuter. Its always as a earlier poster said.. the "I got mine" attitude.

A cohort of mine is starting class there. He is a furloughed and got the blessing from his Union to work there. If there is alot of furloughed 121 guys going there I would be carefull of threating any list.. It could back fire on you for these guys will be back at the Big Show before any TSA guys will, also they have been in this small world business alot longer.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Hey!! You're not supposed to agree with me. I'm an eeeeevil conservative.

I know....and it frightens me......but.....I agree. (hanging my head in shame )

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Your right on..... I have seen how ALPA treats the regionals over the years. Experienced it first hand. They can careless about anyone flying at a regional/commuter. Its always as a earlier poster said.. the "I got mine" attitude.

Yep, they treated us at XJT pretty bad too. We got not only the Director of Representation (the highest ranking attorney in their negotiations department) as our contract negotiator but also, for roughly 1 year, had one of the Assistant Directors with us in negotiations as well. We had all of their resources available to us and often had both the Director of Communications as well as the Assistant Director of Communications working us. When Retirement & Insurance issues arose, we had a senior R&I Specialist fly down to help us. When we dealt with Scope/Job Security issues, we had 2 more attorneys from not only ALPA's Legal Department but also from their outside retained counsel of Cohen, Weiss, and Simon, with us. When we needed money, they gave us more money for communications and negotiations. Yep...they could care less about us.

-Neal

 

[Bankangle]

Well I'm glad you are happy with them. I witnessed first hand at what happend at AirWis in the early 90s and at another regional carrier I worked for they never even showed up to talk to us and when they did they didnt even know who we were.. I would suppose that through the years they now have recognized that their biggest customer in the future are going to be RJ guys. Good Luck

 

[jehtplane]

How long since you weren't paying for it?

Paying for what? If you saying that anyone who paid for their training paid for a job than you are sadly mistaken and a moron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[100LL... Again!]

Two shades of the same color. One is just darker.

 

[jehtplane]

Two shades of the same color. One is just darker.


Dude you are so miss informed it is scary.