Gojet Class Starts

[BluDevAv8r]

Keep in mind that management usually controls the hiring process. Unless you cross a picket line, there are rarely repercussions.

I just think that this whole GoJet thing is a completely different animal. A lot of the guys going there are very pro-union. They are represented by the Teamsters, and I hear they are in the process of negotiating a very good contract.

This isn't about being union or non-union...pro-union...yada yada. It is purely about the creation of an illegal alter-ego carrier formed solely for the purposes of avoiding the TSA CBA. Period.

I've read TSA management's retort to TSA ALPA's literature and it is quite sickening.

-Neal

 

[fuelflow]

If it's an illegal alter-ego then it will be taken care of legally by ALPA. It sounds more like management is avoiding steep fines by APA and AA.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

If it's an illegal alter-ego then it will be taken care of legally by ALPA. It sounds more like management is avoiding steep fines by APA and AA.

If that was their sole motivation, then why have 2 separate pilot groups?

 

[Capn Lucky]

Keep in mind that management usually controls the hiring process. Unless you cross a picket line, there are rarely repercussions.

I just think that this whole GoJet thing is a completely different animal. A lot of the guys going there are very pro-union. They are represented by the Teamsters, and I hear they are in the process of negotiating a very good contract.

The Teamsters have revoked the Go-Jet Charter. The person who was negotiating the contract was management and was promising to hire his friends after the smoke cleared. Sorry Dave T, Brian had his speaker phone on. Ya just can't trust anybody.

 

[Swaayze]

GoFiguare,

No, I am not at GoJets. I will not be going to GoJets. I will not attempt to go to GoJets.

I assume we don't know each other very well?

 

[On Your Six]

Keep in mind that management usually controls the hiring process. Unless you cross a picket line, there are rarely repercussions.

I just think that this whole GoJet thing is a completely different animal. A lot of the guys going there are very pro-union. They are represented by the Teamsters, and I hear they are in the process of negotiating a very good contract.

What are you talking about - guys going to GoJet are pro-union? Are you serious? Why are they joining a non-union entity designed to circumvent scope clauses like Freedumb? Only a SUPER-IDIOT could not understand the implications. They are willingly joining a scab employer. If you ask me, these guys/gals are serious scumbags and they will ruin their careers and jumpseat opportunities as a result.

To all you GoJet pilots out there reading this post, forget ever being "accepted" again and you better really, really enjoy the CRJ-700 - it will be the last airplane you fly.... Big mistake you jacka$$es!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MINIME]

If it's an illegal alter-ego then it will be taken care of legally by ALPA. It sounds more like management is avoiding steep fines by APA and AA.

If you knew anyone at CHQ or AMR for that matter, they would tell you that the fines are being payed because the separate certificate is not yet in order. Fines are NOT being payed for having one seniority list.

Legal or Illegal can be defined by the side whose lawyer can find the biggest loophole. Point is, that even if they're doing this because of some loophole some lawyer found in the CBA, it is still an alter ego. An alter ego is wrong for TSA pilots, for all pilots and for this (racing to the bottom) industry. No argument for it will change that fact.

 

[zonker]

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[MINIME]

Keep in mind that management usually controls the hiring process. Unless you cross a picket line, there are rarely repercussions.

I just think that this whole GoJet thing is a completely different animal. A lot of the guys going there are very pro-union. They are represented by the Teamsters, and I hear they are in the process of negotiating a very good contract.

Dude are you serious? You call these back stabbers pro union? Teamsters or not, they are far from being pro union. Good contract or not, still does in no way justify them going to an ALTER EGO!

 

[Propsync]

A lot of the guys going there are very pro-union. They are represented by the Teamsters, and I hear they are in the process of negotiating a very good contract.

Dude, you're retarded. If they were so pro-union, ALPA would already be over there. These SORES (not quite SCABS) will lay down for Hulas and his shiny new jets.

 

[061984]

'fuelflow' - you are an idiot. Every post you've made is a defense of gojet. You definately sound like someone that already works there. Maybe you should mix it up a little and use one of your other screen names like 'punch' or 'eronyc'.

 

[On Your Six]

Do you want to bet that Fuelflow is either a GoJet pilot or former Freedumb? His responses sound pretty pro-GoJet to me... Very odd.

 

[millhouse21]

He's probably the same guy who's been posting on TSALounge. What a jacknife.

So HoJet delayed their class? Classic. I hope those guys didn't already quit their jobs. Wait, I mean, I hope they DID quit their jobs. Losers.

 

[On Your Six]

He's probably the same guy who's been posting on TSALounge. What a jacknife.

So HoJet delayed their class? Classic. I hope those guys didn't already quit their jobs. Wait, I mean, I hope they DID quit their jobs. Losers.

I agree with you on this. Anyone who goes to GoJet is a SCAB and a serious LOSER....

 

[BlackPilot628]

I heard that the class has been postponed. How's that for a preview of things to come at Ho-Jets!

The first class of 20 did indeed start this morning.

 

[AviatorTx]

Keep in mind that management usually controls the hiring process. Unless you cross a picket line, there are rarely repercussions.

I just think that this whole GoJet thing is a completely different animal. A lot of the guys going there are very pro-union. They are represented by the Teamsters, and I hear they are in the process of negotiating a very good contract.

Nope.

A. Good contract? $56 an hour for a 70 seat CAPTAIN rate is not good.

B. I hear from a friend at the rally that the Teamsters were blocked by ALPA. The certification move by the management pilots starting the POS airline was not legal. Word is that they are now trying to form an independant union.

C. You CANNOT be pro-union AND work for an alter-ego POS like Go-Jet. Pick a side.

 

[613ka]

according to very close sources at TSA..... The Go-Jet class was at the headquarters, and they just graduated their first class of FA's today as well.

 

[ren]

The first class of 20 did indeed start this morning.

Any names? Where would we find names?

 

[Heavy Set]

GoJet pilots should get used to being treated like outlaws. Sound fun? I agree with some of the previous people, anyone who joins this outfit will be considered "persona non grata" and shunned. These people are idiots with very few career options going forward...

 

[General Lee]

Seriously dudes, if you get on with Go-jet you are going to be asked a lot of questions by everyone, especially if you are trying to jumpseat somewhere. Why go through that hassle? Try to get on with Expressjet instead.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BeCareful!]

Just to confirm their position on all of this, can we assume that the RJDICs are happy about this start-up? I mean, big airplanes, small paychecks, "efficient" regional airline work rules........isn't it exactly what the RJDC is all about?

Please inform us all how this fits in the big fat RJDC picture.

Thank you.

 

[AAflyer]

This isn't about being union or non-union...pro-union...yada yada. It is purely about the creation of an illegal alter-ego carrier formed solely for the purposes of avoiding the TSA CBA. Period.

I've read TSA management's retort to TSA ALPA's literature and it is quite sickening.

-Neal

It is more than just that!!! It is designed to circumvent the American Airlines
Pilot's Scope clause.

AA

 

[AviatorTx]

It is more than just that!!! It is designed to circumvent the American Airlines Pilot's Scope clause. AA

This is joing to screw everybody to some degree. Insert Airline. These people are lowering the bar so much J.O. must be getting a woody, and saying "I thought of it first!"

 

[MINIME]

It is more than just that!!! It is designed to circumvent the American Airlines
Pilot's Scope clause.


I totally agree

Which is why I'd like to see more noise coming from the AA guys.
It goes even further however, this will also serve to brake scopes at regionals as well. Regionals that have worked hard over the years to bring the bar up. Bringing and keeping the bar up at regionals is in everyone's best interest.

 

[Moonshiner]

I find all of this talk about unionism among airline pilots quite amusing. We all just appear to be fighting over scraps here. If there was any real labor unionism among airline pilots most of you would be flying 737's or better instead of RJs.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

I find all of this talk about unionism among airline pilots quite amusing. We all just appear to be fighting over scraps here. If there was any real labor unionism among airline pilots most of you would be flying 737's or better instead of RJs.

Since when do unions manage airlines and make aircraft selections? The market always wins (rightsize the market with the right gauge aircraft)....but with that said, jets of all sizes should have stayed on the mainline side but short-sightedness prevented that from happening. Maybe I'm missing you but are you saying that if we all had it "our way" that we'd be flying 737's from IAH to PSP with 24 people on them so we can lose even more money?

-Neal

 

[Moonshiner]

Blu, you're right, I should not have been aircraft specific. It's really the paycheck I'm talking about.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Blu, you're right, I should not have been aircraft specific. It's really the paycheck I'm talking about.

Well then I agree with you. However, the current mess we are in with small jet providers bidding on one another's business further driving down pilot pay levels for these aircraft is the genesis of short-sightedness on the part of the mainline MEC's years ago. The small jet provider "bidding process" has become a handicap on small jet bargaining. If anyone knows the reality of that fact, I certainly do. With that said, progress has been made on the pilot pay levels of these aircraft...as well as quality of life issues and job security - it has just been stunted by several small jet carriers who insist on bidding for business based on labor rates alone. Sad.

-Neal

 

[Wesb737fo]

Here it comes,

I must have been under a rock. How long has this go-jet stuff been around? As one who is familiar with the Freedom Air BS, I have been concerned for some time that managements around the country would take JO's playbook and run.

Man! this is cr#p. This a complete assault on the wages and benefits of all of us. These management a@s clowns sure figured out how to cut their labor costs in half. "Hey little boy...want some candy". The next thing you know is you're working in some sweat shop in Bangladesh popping out sneakers for .25 cents an hour.

 

[100LL... Again!]

I see two different sides here.

I can in no way criticize an experienced long-time ALPA member who is furloughe and just wants a job. In many cases they have been paying their dues for years, and have given more of their lives to the industry than many of the pilots whom they are supposedly undercutting. Ditto for long-time frieght dogs and such who have paid their dues for years. I guess I take a bigger view and consider a person's "career seniority" more than I do a particular pilot list.


If a senior pilot at TSA is bothered by what is happening at GoJet, I have sympathy. If it is some 1000-hour new-hire? Go FK yourself. Some of these pilots applying at Goet might have been hauling boxes when you were still in Jr. High.