Gojet Class Starts

[Sioux115]

I also heard they were several orginal Freedumb pilots that left Mesa to go fly at Jetblue. So much for repercussion.

 

[AviatorTx]

I also heard they were several orginal Freedumb pilots that left Mesa to go fly at Jetblue. So much for repercussion.

I would say that flying for JetWho is a repercussion. It is but a small step above Mesa. Maybe.

 

[BoilerUP]

Any ex-3Cers in the GoJet class?

Gawd, I hope not...

 

[fuelflow]

Keep in mind that management usually controls the hiring process. Unless you cross a picket line, there are rarely repercussions.

I just think that this whole GoJet thing is a completely different animal. A lot of the guys going there are very pro-union. They are represented by the Teamsters, and I hear they are in the process of negotiating a very good contract.

 

[Guitar Guy]

They are represented by the Teamsters, and I hear they are in the process of negotiating a very good contract.

Let's hope that their contract is at least as good as the ones the Teamsters got for the pilots at Great Lakes to vote on late last year...

 

[fuelflow]

Any airline flying 19-seat airplanes feeding United is not going to get anything. Keep in mind the IBT also represents Chautauqua, Horizon, Airborne Express and NetJets (currently preparing for a strike).

 

[BlackPilot628]

Any ex-3Cers in the GoJet class?

Gawd, I hope not...

Yes. I think 8

 

[dukeflr]

TSA has my support! This should be unacceptable to all of us regardless of who our union is, ALPA or Teamsters. Unfortunately, not all of our fellow aviators understand the situation. This has not really made it into the mainstream press. On the surface, it sounds like TSA is JUST trying to avoid a scope clause. Those of us who actually visit web boards and read aviation press know better. Those who do not, have no clue. Two pilots from my airline were discussing how "The new airline, Go-Jets" was looking pretty good! After my initial shock, I quickly informed them of the situation. They had no idea!!! I have known both of these people for a while and both are good decent people(not scab material). Both are not new to the industry and one is VERY experienced for the regional level. They just don't know! I pointed them both towards TSAlounge and Flightinfo.

Maybe APLA needs to take an official stand on this and mail out an inforamtional flyer??? An officil picket line???

I feel most of the future Ho-Jeters don't and won't understand what they are doing until it is too late. They need to be informed.

 

[NewBlue]

That sounded interesting. If any union has the nads to put up an informational picket line anywhere across the path to the class rooms or training facilities THEN the pilots in question will have crossed a picket line and EARNED the sobriquet.

What is required in the way of permits etc. to stage a peaceful demonstration without being arrested at the request of management?

 

[Reelbigfish]

I heard that the class has been postponed. How's that for a preview of things to come at Ho-Jets!

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Keep in mind that management usually controls the hiring process. Unless you cross a picket line, there are rarely repercussions.

I just think that this whole GoJet thing is a completely different animal. A lot of the guys going there are very pro-union. They are represented by the Teamsters, and I hear they are in the process of negotiating a very good contract.

This isn't about being union or non-union...pro-union...yada yada. It is purely about the creation of an illegal alter-ego carrier formed solely for the purposes of avoiding the TSA CBA. Period.

I've read TSA management's retort to TSA ALPA's literature and it is quite sickening.

-Neal

 

[fuelflow]

If it's an illegal alter-ego then it will be taken care of legally by ALPA. It sounds more like management is avoiding steep fines by APA and AA.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

If it's an illegal alter-ego then it will be taken care of legally by ALPA. It sounds more like management is avoiding steep fines by APA and AA.

If that was their sole motivation, then why have 2 separate pilot groups?

 

[Capn Lucky]

Keep in mind that management usually controls the hiring process. Unless you cross a picket line, there are rarely repercussions.

I just think that this whole GoJet thing is a completely different animal. A lot of the guys going there are very pro-union. They are represented by the Teamsters, and I hear they are in the process of negotiating a very good contract.

The Teamsters have revoked the Go-Jet Charter. The person who was negotiating the contract was management and was promising to hire his friends after the smoke cleared. Sorry Dave T, Brian had his speaker phone on. Ya just can't trust anybody.

 

[Swaayze]

GoFiguare,

No, I am not at GoJets. I will not be going to GoJets. I will not attempt to go to GoJets.

I assume we don't know each other very well?

 

[On Your Six]

Keep in mind that management usually controls the hiring process. Unless you cross a picket line, there are rarely repercussions.

I just think that this whole GoJet thing is a completely different animal. A lot of the guys going there are very pro-union. They are represented by the Teamsters, and I hear they are in the process of negotiating a very good contract.

What are you talking about - guys going to GoJet are pro-union? Are you serious? Why are they joining a non-union entity designed to circumvent scope clauses like Freedumb? Only a SUPER-IDIOT could not understand the implications. They are willingly joining a scab employer. If you ask me, these guys/gals are serious scumbags and they will ruin their careers and jumpseat opportunities as a result.

To all you GoJet pilots out there reading this post, forget ever being "accepted" again and you better really, really enjoy the CRJ-700 - it will be the last airplane you fly.... Big mistake you jacka$$es!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MINIME]

If it's an illegal alter-ego then it will be taken care of legally by ALPA. It sounds more like management is avoiding steep fines by APA and AA.

If you knew anyone at CHQ or AMR for that matter, they would tell you that the fines are being payed because the separate certificate is not yet in order. Fines are NOT being payed for having one seniority list.

Legal or Illegal can be defined by the side whose lawyer can find the biggest loophole. Point is, that even if they're doing this because of some loophole some lawyer found in the CBA, it is still an alter ego. An alter ego is wrong for TSA pilots, for all pilots and for this (racing to the bottom) industry. No argument for it will change that fact.

 

[zonker]

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[MINIME]

Keep in mind that management usually controls the hiring process. Unless you cross a picket line, there are rarely repercussions.

I just think that this whole GoJet thing is a completely different animal. A lot of the guys going there are very pro-union. They are represented by the Teamsters, and I hear they are in the process of negotiating a very good contract.

Dude are you serious? You call these back stabbers pro union? Teamsters or not, they are far from being pro union. Good contract or not, still does in no way justify them going to an ALTER EGO!

 

[Propsync]

A lot of the guys going there are very pro-union. They are represented by the Teamsters, and I hear they are in the process of negotiating a very good contract.

Dude, you're retarded. If they were so pro-union, ALPA would already be over there. These SORES (not quite SCABS) will lay down for Hulas and his shiny new jets.