Go to Jetblue?

[Splert]

Hey,

"70% are going to save money".

Until you quit or retire and then Jetblue confiscates all your 'savings'.

 

[Smarta$$]

Anyone who is up for making B6 a career, send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card. Sadly, many yes voters have yet to send in a card. The clock is ticking. New health care plans are right around the corner. Think last year was bad? Send in a card!

"In business, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate."

ski, I agree mostly with your last post, but take issue with this post. Based on JB history, we are right to be skeptical and plan for the worst. But this post that I am quoting gives the impression that you KNOW that the plans are getting worse next year. That is what I take issue with.

 

[clickclickboom]

Jetblue said they would never take away something that was contained in our PEA's

Unfortunately almost all of the important items ( no furlough, profit share, etc ) are not written anywhere in our PEA's

Doesnt management have to go through a long drawn out process to deny us our " GUARANTEED " benefits ??

Or do they just send an email or hold a bod vote?


Whats the answer under the Direct Relationship?

 

[Smarta$$]

Memo.

 

[BeachBummer]

Jetblue said they would never take away something that was contained in our PEA's

Unfortunately almost all of the important items ( no furlough, profit share, etc ) are not written anywhere in our PEA's

Doesnt management have to go through a long drawn out process to deny us our " GUARANTEED " benefits ??

Or do they just send an email or hold a bod vote?


Whats the answer under the Direct Relationship?

Words words words...

They can't "take" anything from your pea, you will willfully sign it away. For a meager raise in hourly rate.

Just like the no furlough clause and they'll pay you until your 65... As long as your current and wiling to come to work right? Who's going to keep you current?

Just words

 

[kommutrdog]

Just like the no furlough clause and they'll pay you until your 65... As long as your current and wiling to come to work right? Who's going to keep you current?

Yup. That one always cracks me up.

"Yea, no furlough clause, sure that's the ticket. We promise we will pay you. Trust us."

 

[clickclickboom]

Oh you get it til your 65.. That is if your 64 1/2 yrs old and dont run out of landing currency before your 65th bday

 

[BUDDHA145]

Any of you having problems login onto your profile to do updates??


Tapatalk sucks major AZZZZZ!! Don't get it....

 

[clickclickboom]

ski, I agree mostly with your last post, but take issue with this post. Based on JB history, we are right to be skeptical and plan for the worst. But this post that I am quoting gives the impression that you KNOW that the plans are getting worse next year. That is what I take issue with.

You take issue with it? You wont even know the extent of the increase and/or reduction is benefit until you need a specific treatment that was covered in previous years and all of a sudden isnt.

It wont be disclosed or included in any of the presentations by johanna. Everything is ra ra free pizza here until you find yourself broke.

Wait until that simple biopsy on that freckle on your back ends up costing you $900 after insurance.. Ask me how i know

Plus that bill came yesterday and oh by the way I already spent $11,000 this year for my family NOT including the $3600 in yearly premiums.

Then again smartass you might take exception with his assumptions because afterall coverage couldnt get any worse !!!!

Wake up boy you might be 31 years old but you are not exempt from life

 

[pilotyip]

No you have seniority at NJ, you will not have it at JB.

 

[Smarta$$]

You take issue with it? You wont even know the extent of the increase and/or reduction is benefit until you need a specific treatment that was covered in previous years and all of a sudden isnt.

It wont be disclosed or included in any of the presentations by johanna. Everything is ra ra free pizza here until you find yourself broke.

Wait until that simple biopsy on that freckle on your back ends up costing you $900 after insurance.. Ask me how i

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Plus that bill came yesterday and oh by the way I already spent $11,000 this year for my family NOT including the $3600 in yearly premiums.

Then again smartass you might take exception with his assumptions because afterall coverage couldnt get any worse !!!!

Wake up boy you might be 31 years old but you are not exempt from life

1. I am older than 31.

2. I will say without any qualification that our health insurance is terrible and JB was totally wrong to do what they did.

3. I am pro-union.

4. I am NOT anti-ALPA.

5. We will know in a few months if your (and a few others) hard prediction that our healthcare will get considerably worse next year.

Clear?

 

[Splert]

You added "considerably'.

 

[Smarta$$]

Anyone who is up for making B6 a career, send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card. Sadly, many yes voters have yet to send in a card. The clock is ticking. New health care plans are right around the corner. Think last year was bad? Send in a card!

"In business, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate."

This is the post that started the conversation. Does it leave the impression that only small tweeks are coming next year? Hint: he compared or linked the changes of last year to those coming soon.

 

[Splert]

This year premiums when up 500%.

In your world if costs do not go up another 500% then what?

Oh you can call names and think you are scoring points on FI.com while fellow pilots are losing 10 of thousands of dollars of real savings.

You are so cool with your points. I bet your mommy is proud you that you think you have so many FI.com points.

 

[B6Driver]

"This year premiums went up 500%."
Explain this please?

 

[Smarta$$]

This year premiums when up 500%.

In your world if costs do not go up another 500% then what?

Oh you can call names and think you are scoring points on FI.com while fellow pilots are losing 10 of thousands of dollars of real savings.

You are so cool with your points. I bet your mommy is proud you that you think you have so many FI.com points.

You need help.

 

[Splert]

The Orange Plan is last years CrewCare III Plan -

$60 a month to $580 for a family plan = about over 900% increase

The Green Plan is the Orange Plan (last years CCIII) with Healthy Rewards and Seed money and a HRA.

$60 a month to $300 a month = 500% increase.

All money in the HRA is Jetblue to be used by you for medical expenses. You are funding the HRA with your own money paid for by inflated premiums. When a PILOT Quits or retire the HRA is confiscated by Jetblue.

With the Crew Care III plan the premium savings (low cost/high deductible) stays in the pilots or employee bank account (or spent on bubble gum).

Rob alluded to a new plan for 2014 and I hope it is close to the HSA offered to SWA employees. No HR and Seed money just a HDMP with a low cost and a HSA.

That would be a win as this pilot group retreats.

When you buy insurance, any type of insurance the underlying coverage is what you are buying not the premium. Jetblue said we are paying the same for the green plan and we did for CC1 except the underlying coverage is not CC1. It is CCIII.

I can find you life insurance that according to jetblue "costs" the same. Do you want to look at the benefits first or last to see if the REALLY cost the same. Jetblue is playing on the misunderstand between cost and price.

 

[Splert]

You need help.

Cool more Fi.com points. Go show your mommy.

 

[BUDDHA145]

Any of you having problems login onto your profile to do updates??

Hey guys thanks for the help...... Ha!!!

 

[banger]

So I hear that the new payrates will be 4% below peer set average. That premium is gone and that pay for DH will be half. And its locked in for 3 years! Just Wow!

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

The sooner everyone sends in a card, the sooner we can end this experiment. The company will never give us PSIA. The only way to achieve PSIA or better is via a CBA. Send in a card. Waiting only allows the company to take away more. Send in a card.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

ski, I agree mostly with your last post, but take issue with this post. Based on JB history, we are right to be skeptical and plan for the worst. But this post that I am quoting gives the impression that you KNOW that the plans are getting worse next year. That is what I take issue with.

I do not "know" what the company is planning. I only know what the company is capable of doing based on history.

Send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card.

 

[BeachBummer]

History is an evil beeeach that keeps resurrecting herself from the dead to instill pain upon the stupid who failed to learn from her last time.


Jetblue hired a bunch of dogs. Some dogs need to be kicked harder and more times before they bite back.

 

[MikeSF340]

So I hear that the new payrates will be 4% below peer set average. That premium is gone and that pay for DH will be half. And its locked in for 3 years! Just Wow!

I hear it is going to be a 24% raise with 1.5x deadhead. Premium is going to 2x pay rate and the trigger is gonna be 58 hours. This is locked in for 2 years....... See, we all can do this too.......

 

[Baronman]

I think a fair question remains, what is the peer set especially in light of a stalled USAir/AA merger. I know they've discussed various scenarios.

 

[B6Driver]

18.3% increase on Jan. 1st. brings us up to PSIA on pay.

 

[Blue Dude]

18.3% increase on Jan. 1st. brings us up to PSIA on pay.

As long as there are no take backs like limiting/ending premium pay, 50% for DH legs, a three year lock-in, etc. I have pretty much lost hope that there will be any actual PEA language improvements, only that appendix A will have some base pay increase. If the rest of the PEA was good for us, they would have put it out weeks or months ago. Instead, two and half months from implementation we're still being test marketed. The PVC will get a few weeks to check it out, then we get a month to sign or not sign. Time's about up. Not a good sign.

 

[Smarta$$]

The pea may be as bad as the leaks. It may be worse. It may be that these leaks are designed to get our expectations down, and the pea may not be that bad. The company may have come to the conclusion that a union is inevitable, and are putting out a bad pea to lock us into crap and make us negotiate back things we want.

The way this elt manages emotions and expectations they could be up to anything...

This really is a 2nd or even 3rd rate job here.

 

[Blue Dude]

The way this elt manages emotions and expectations they could be up to anything...

This really is a 2nd or even 3rd rate job here.

Yeah. And to think I used to respect our management. But I can't respect people who hold their subordinates to higher standards than they hold themselves.

 

[B6Busdriver]

18.3% increase on Jan. 1st. brings us up to PSIA on pay.

Awesome. And then we will only behind in retirement, healthcare, international pay, work rules, merger language, scope language.....just to name a few.