Go to Jetblue?

[N311HK]

I'm numbers guy. Numbers never lie. I want a union too but I knew the numbers coming here so it's not a shock. I spent 6 years at a crappy regional. I'm seeing the same playbook at B6 but with no union.

 

[N311HK]

Hey just so I can plan, when are we going out of business?
Everyone can do what they want and I understand why you would leave, but guys saying we are going out of business is a joke. Yup no way other airlines might die just jetBlue.

Like I said. I'm a numbers guy. I have 30 more years to go. I started when I was 22. Look at the history of airlines. You're naive to think this will hold up for the next 30 years. Make no mistake we are the B team. At that means management to dispatchers. I don't have the faith in them. IROPs will always be an issue. Out business model is too fragile. Come on we can't even get out pilot shirts right.

 

[CapnVegetto]

There is a lot of smartassery here. Let's clear up the mud....

Jetblue is NOT THAT BAD. It's better than any regional. The pay is OK and probably due to get better, but the benefits are total $hit, and the work rules are nonexistent. A CBA will fix some of these things, but it will take time. ALPA will NOT make everything better tomorrow, but it will improve things. Make no mistake about it, the 'culture' that you read about here is pretty much all bull$hit. We have management that loves to send out happy culture crap in emails and smiley faces, but then they turn around and do stuff like gutting our health insurance, and sponsoring all kinds of charities for Autism while at the same time refusing to cover care for Autistic children for employees.

Rumor is we're getting a double digit raise beginning of next year. Most people who have seen how this management group operates believes that the raise will be offset by some kind of take back, such as loss of premium pay or some kind of cap. This is probably true, but for a guy like me, who doesn't give a rat's a$$ about premium pay because I almost never reach it, I couldn't care less.

I'm 35 and will leave 1st chance I get. Plain and simple, if you are under 40, the math says leave. Now that is excluding extenuating circumstances, such as you live in a JetBlue base, you REALLY like it here for some reason, you're already a lineholder and don't want to start over, don't give a crap about widebody flying, etc. etc. etc. Each person has to evaluate their own situation and make their own choice. I choose to leave. I do not fault those choosing to stay. I question their wisdom, but once again, I am not privvy to their circumstances, nor do I care. I am just going with simple math. JetBlue has a very young pilot group, and advancement here will be much slower than anywhere else, and no union is going to change that. Meanwhile, all the Legacy lists are full of old farts that will be gone within a decade or so. Most of them are scheduled to lose 45-50% of their pilot groups within 10-15 years, in some cases less. Also, given the history of the airline industry, where the big guys swallow the little guys, there is no reason whatsoever to think JetBlue will be JetBlue in the next 5 or 10 years, maybe less. Of course, they could be the exception. People have been saying that since JetBlue's inception, and they are still JetBlue at this point.

Basically, flip a coin. That's about all you can do. This entire stupid career is nothing but a gamble, and all you can do is look at your current situation and make the whatever decision you think is right. You'll find out in 30 years if it was good or bad.

Good luck.

 

[Smarta$$]

Like I said. I'm a numbers guy. I have 30 more years to go. I started when I was 22. Look at the history of airlines. You're naive to think this will hold up for the next 30 years. Make no mistake we are the B team. At that means management to dispatchers. I don't have the faith in them. IROPs will always be an issue. Out business model is too fragile. Come on we can't even get out pilot shirts right.

Actually, I agree.

 

[Smarta$$]

There is a lot of smartassery here. Let's clear up the mud....

Jetblue is NOT THAT BAD. It's better than any regional. The pay is OK and probably due to get better, but the benefits are total $hit, and the work rules are nonexistent. A CBA will fix some of these things, but it will take time. ALPA will NOT make everything better tomorrow, but it will improve things. Make no mistake about it, the 'culture' that you read about here is pretty much all bull$hit. We have management that loves to send out happy culture crap in emails and smiley faces, but then they turn around and do stuff like gutting our health insurance, and sponsoring all kinds of charities for Autism while at the same time refusing to cover care for Autistic children for employees.

Rumor is we're getting a double digit raise beginning of next year. Most people who have seen how this management group operates believes that the raise will be offset by some kind of take back, such as loss of premium pay or some kind of cap. This is probably true, but for a guy like me, who doesn't give a rat's a$$ about premium pay because I almost never reach it, I couldn't care less.

I'm 35 and will leave 1st chance I get. Plain and simple, if you are under 40, the math says leave. Now that is excluding extenuating circumstances, such as you live in a JetBlue base, you REALLY like it here for some reason, you're already a lineholder and don't want to start over, don't give a crap about widebody flying, etc. etc. etc. Each person has to evaluate their own situation and make their own choice. I choose to leave. I do not fault those choosing to stay. I question their wisdom, but once again, I am not privvy to their circumstances, nor do I care. I am just going with simple math. JetBlue has a very young pilot group, and advancement here will be much slower than anywhere else, and no union is going to change that. Meanwhile, all the Legacy lists are full of old farts that will be gone within a decade or so. Most of them are scheduled to lose 45-50% of their pilot groups within 10-15 years, in some cases less. Also, given the history of the airline industry, where the big guys swallow the little guys, there is no reason whatsoever to think JetBlue will be JetBlue in the next 5 or 10 years, maybe less. Of course, they could be the exception. People have been saying that since JetBlue's inception, and they are still JetBlue at this point.

Basically, flip a coin. That's about all you can do. This entire stupid career is nothing but a gamble, and all you can do is look at your current situation and make the whatever decision you think is right. You'll find out in 30 years if it was good or bad.

Good luck.

Also, agree.

 

[Smarta$$]

142 hrs of credit and 31 hrs of block, 19 days off. Would you like a screenshot of Flica?

You either had vacation, vacation conflicts, or are on reserve and picked up trips on your days off. Either way, now lie and tell us that most Spirit pilots screenshot look like that.

No JB pilots even brought up Spirit. One guy from Virgin sorta made ref to Spirit, and here you are acting as if you are a Delta widebody captain....

 

[johnsonrod]

What was the original question again? Talk about THREAD DRIFT. uke:

 

[BentOver]

You either had vacation, vacation conflicts, or are on reserve and picked up trips on your days off. Either way, now lie and tell us that most Spirit pilots screenshot look like that.

No JB pilots even brought up Spirit. One guy from Virgin sorta made ref to Spirit, and here you are acting as if you are a Delta widebody captain....

That looks like a reserve guy, picking up trips on days off, and counting days he didn't get called as days off..( which we all know is not how it's done) a day off is a day I can drink beer and act belligerent without a phone by my side.

Or he had vacation and picked up trips during said vacation.

 

[gearjockey]

What was the original question again? Talk about THREAD DRIFT. uke:

Try this metaphor on: You are the weird dude in high school who hangs out with the cool kids. Most people in the group don't really like you but you have ONE friend who has been the group's alpha male since grade school so you are "in" by default. You try to build some street cred by asking out the "above average, but not interested in you girl" in the commensurate, socio-economic group. She is nice to you, and flirts with you for ********************z and giggles. Alas, she turns you down. You forever attempt to discredit the girl by calling her "f-ugly" and a "bizatch" every chance you get. Eventually you end up becoming the
a-haole of the school because everyone knows you got stiff-dikked. Sound familiar? Now substitute Jetblue for the avg (but f-able) girl. Somewhere in your career you got turned down or refused an interview with them.

(We know, we know, your JB buddies tell you how horrible it is over there). Honestly, if you didn't constantly talk about JB all the time, I think more people would believe you.

Cheers J-rod.

 

[Splert]

But wait, splert says that if we just get a union and better pay, you will move up way more than 60 numbers in 10 years. We will then be equal to UAL and DL in all regards, including career movement.

You are mumbling again.

 

[Splert]

142 hrs of credit and 31 hrs of block, 19 days off. Would you like a screenshot of Flica?

1 week of PTX and 1 week of PTV = 70 hours of credit plus a 10 day turns to the islands with DHs.

Super but not scaleable.

Also there are no vacation Conflicts with PBS. Are you sure you are a JetBlue pilot Smarta$$?

 

[B6Driver]

Mocking might sound like mumbling but believe me, it's actually quite different.

 

[Splert]

Mumbling is making stuff up.

Never said a union would stop attrition but it will help get recall rights. Right AAdriver?

You are still a no vote right!

 

[clickclickboom]

Lets get this thread back on track..

So are the netjets recalls leaving to go back????????

 

[CapnVegetto]

Talked to a Netjets guy today. He doesn't believe any recalls are forthcoming non. Heresay though.