Go to Jetblue?

[Ski-N-Fly]

The sooner everyone sends in a card, the sooner we can end this experiment. The company will never give us PSIA. The only way to achieve PSIA or better is via a CBA. Send in a card. Waiting only allows the company to take away more. Send in a card.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

ski, I agree mostly with your last post, but take issue with this post. Based on JB history, we are right to be skeptical and plan for the worst. But this post that I am quoting gives the impression that you KNOW that the plans are getting worse next year. That is what I take issue with.

I do not "know" what the company is planning. I only know what the company is capable of doing based on history.

Send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card.

 

[BeachBummer]

History is an evil beeeach that keeps resurrecting herself from the dead to instill pain upon the stupid who failed to learn from her last time.


Jetblue hired a bunch of dogs. Some dogs need to be kicked harder and more times before they bite back.

 

[MikeSF340]

So I hear that the new payrates will be 4% below peer set average. That premium is gone and that pay for DH will be half. And its locked in for 3 years! Just Wow!

I hear it is going to be a 24% raise with 1.5x deadhead. Premium is going to 2x pay rate and the trigger is gonna be 58 hours. This is locked in for 2 years....... See, we all can do this too.......

 

[Baronman]

I think a fair question remains, what is the peer set especially in light of a stalled USAir/AA merger. I know they've discussed various scenarios.

 

[B6Driver]

18.3% increase on Jan. 1st. brings us up to PSIA on pay.

 

[Blue Dude]

18.3% increase on Jan. 1st. brings us up to PSIA on pay.

As long as there are no take backs like limiting/ending premium pay, 50% for DH legs, a three year lock-in, etc. I have pretty much lost hope that there will be any actual PEA language improvements, only that appendix A will have some base pay increase. If the rest of the PEA was good for us, they would have put it out weeks or months ago. Instead, two and half months from implementation we're still being test marketed. The PVC will get a few weeks to check it out, then we get a month to sign or not sign. Time's about up. Not a good sign.

 

[Smarta$$]

The pea may be as bad as the leaks. It may be worse. It may be that these leaks are designed to get our expectations down, and the pea may not be that bad. The company may have come to the conclusion that a union is inevitable, and are putting out a bad pea to lock us into crap and make us negotiate back things we want.

The way this elt manages emotions and expectations they could be up to anything...

This really is a 2nd or even 3rd rate job here.

 

[Blue Dude]

The way this elt manages emotions and expectations they could be up to anything...

This really is a 2nd or even 3rd rate job here.

Yeah. And to think I used to respect our management. But I can't respect people who hold their subordinates to higher standards than they hold themselves.

 

[B6Busdriver]

18.3% increase on Jan. 1st. brings us up to PSIA on pay.

Awesome. And then we will only behind in retirement, healthcare, international pay, work rules, merger language, scope language.....just to name a few.

 

[Fins Up]

Awesome. And then we will only behind in retirement, healthcare, international pay, work rules, merger language, scope language.....just to name a few.

These are the things folks need to consider. Hourly rate is just one piece of the puzzle and it doesn't do you any good if your work rules are such that you can't maximize your time.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Hourly rates mean very little without proper and enforceable work rules. In our case, work rules can be changed without pilot input or approval at any time (reference FSM 2010). That's the beauty of the DR.

Send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card.

 

[B6Driver]

I'm thankful that the vocal few who so arrogantly post here on a regular basis know what's important and keep the rest of us focused on the real issues.
Really, thanks.

 

[OurMoney1]

I have been watching you guys since you started in 2001.
No one expected you to be union the first 5 years but approaching year 9 or 10 many of us began to wonder when your group would wake up.
You stand in the doorway today of labor returning to wages and benefits taken from our peers for over a decade and you think your so called Leadership is going to voluntarily give them to you guys and gals. Without a strong union the pilots of Jetblue can expect to always lag the industry. Your wake up call has been ringing for several years, now would be the best time to answer it before your future in cast by profit hungry executives that care about you and your family last.
Get serious and do it fast.
And for the record you guys are always welcome in my jumpseat. I welcome the opportunity to learn more about the myths they have been telling you. When Labor unites we all benefit, even the loneliest pilot who anchors the seniority list on reserve in some small city all by himself tonight.

 

[Dizel8]

I'm thankful that the vocal few who so arrogantly post here on a regular basis know what's important and keep the rest of us focused on the real issues.
Really, thanks.

Well B6, why don't you explain to all what the real issues are?

Perhaps you could set up a website, or blog and encourage some real debate as to what's important. I believe you have some experience in that area.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I have been watching you guys since you started in 2001.
No one expected you to be union the first 5 years but approaching year 9 or 10 many of us began to wonder when your group would wake up.
You stand in the doorway today of labor returning to wages and benefits taken from our peers for over a decade and you think your so called Leadership is going to voluntarily give them to you guys and gals. Without a strong union the pilots of Jetblue can expect to always lag the industry. Your wake up call has been ringing for several years, now would be the best time to answer it before your future in cast by profit hungry executives that care about you and your family last.
Get serious and do it fast.
And for the record you guys are always welcome in my jumpseat. I welcome the opportunity to learn more about the myths they have been telling you. When Labor unites we all benefit, even the loneliest pilot who anchors the seniority list on reserve in some small city all by himself tonight.

Amen, many of us are trying!

 

[kommutrdog]

OurMoney1,

We're trying man...believe me, we're trying.

Watching the events unfold here at bluejet is a study in group psychology, propaganda and union-busting all rolled in to one.

It's aggravating to see that there are still many "juicers" here who think you can be an airline pilot without representation.

Frank Lorenzo's disciples have done their homework, no doubt about that.

 

[BeachBummer]

I'm thankful that the vocal few who so arrogantly post here on a regular basis know what's important and keep the rest of us focused on the real issues.
Really, thanks.

Really, I'd like to know what the real issues are as well.

Pizza?

New iPad toys?

Anther gay lesbian alternative lifestyle party?

I mean, I'm looking forward to the next company sponsored out of the closet emails...

What's important b6?

 

[Fins Up]

I have been watching you guys since you started in 2001.
No one expected you to be union the first 5 years but approaching year 9 or 10 many of us began to wonder when your group would wake up.
You stand in the doorway today of labor returning to wages and benefits taken from our peers for over a decade and you think your so called Leadership is going to voluntarily give them to you guys and gals. Without a strong union the pilots of Jetblue can expect to always lag the industry. Your wake up call has been ringing for several years, now would be the best time to answer it before your future in cast by profit hungry executives that care about you and your family last.
Get serious and do it fast.
And for the record you guys are always welcome in my jumpseat. I welcome the opportunity to learn more about the myths they have been telling you. When Labor unites we all benefit, even the loneliest pilot who anchors the seniority list on reserve in some small city all by himself tonight.

Amen, many of us are trying!

Darn right. More and more of us have learned or are finally learning that the Direct Relationship and the jetblue "culture" are a sham. I was very much against bringing in a union for quite a while but having learned how the industry works, and having learned that our management team is just like any other, I know I was wrong. I have gone from an adament NO to OC volunteer. We need a CBA. Don't worry about Dave. He already has his negotiated contract. He will be just fine.

 

[StaySeated]

A few folks at F9 have been buried in labor issues for a number of years now. We are attempting to resurrect our in-house union from the dead after being raided by the IBT.

I am wondering out loud if we can, at a later date, create an LCC union with three or four Local unions. It would be a Joint Council of sorts, with one main legislative body from three for four LCC airbus operators. Each separate airline would maintain their own Local for the purposes of negotiating, collection of dues, CBA administration but the JC would have a Constitution including among other things a merger policy.

Why would this be beneficial? I think LCC consolidation is a given. Why not have an approved merger procedure and avoid the great unknown of SLI arbitration. I am sure Eischen and Nicolau and Bloch could use another $300-$500K at our expense but why not make an attempt to control the process?

Meanwhile, you keep your dues in-house and attempt to establish an industry wide, LCC narrow body benefit package.

Joint Council with reps from say...F9,Spirit,JB and Virgin. We could get JB and Virgin without a showing of interest, just a write-in. That may compel Spirit to join, who knows.