Go to Jetblue?

[pilotpayne]

I was responding ya d-bag

Ok guys I think we can all get along....back to the thread.....

 

[N311HK]

After 7 years atBlue your going to go sit on the bottom of. 12,000+ list? I would imagine a large majority of the issues at Jblue are because the lack of a CBA. Do you guys really not have the majority of pilots over there willing to vote in a Union? I know it was turned down twice but that was a few years ago, a lot has changed

The math is simple. I have 30 more years till 65. I move only 60 numbers in ten years. I'll roll the dice somewhere else that's gonna stay in business

 

[N311HK]

Because people don't want to be on reserve?
This never happens at real majors......
You could hold captain, why didn't you go for it?

Bingo! I'll never sit reserve at Jetblue. The work rules just suck too much and type of flying. All we re protected by is FARs. I just flew a trip with a 14:45 scheduled duty day. And the difference in pay fron a line to reserve is joke. I like my life, not NY.

 

[Smarta$$]

The math is simple. I have 30 more years till 65. I move only 60 numbers in ten years. I'll roll the dice somewhere else that's gonna stay in business

But wait, splert says that if we just get a union and better pay, you will move up way more than 60 numbers in 10 years. We will then be equal to UAL and DL in all regards, including career movement.

 

[pilotpayne]

The math is simple. I have 30 more years till 65. I move only 60 numbers in ten years. I'll roll the dice somewhere else that's gonna stay in business

Hey just so I can plan, when are we going out of business?
Everyone can do what they want and I understand why you would leave, but guys saying we are going out of business is a joke. Yup no way other airlines might die just jetBlue.

 

[N311HK]

I'm numbers guy. Numbers never lie. I want a union too but I knew the numbers coming here so it's not a shock. I spent 6 years at a crappy regional. I'm seeing the same playbook at B6 but with no union.

 

[N311HK]

Hey just so I can plan, when are we going out of business?
Everyone can do what they want and I understand why you would leave, but guys saying we are going out of business is a joke. Yup no way other airlines might die just jetBlue.

Like I said. I'm a numbers guy. I have 30 more years to go. I started when I was 22. Look at the history of airlines. You're naive to think this will hold up for the next 30 years. Make no mistake we are the B team. At that means management to dispatchers. I don't have the faith in them. IROPs will always be an issue. Out business model is too fragile. Come on we can't even get out pilot shirts right.

 

[CapnVegetto]

There is a lot of smartassery here. Let's clear up the mud....

Jetblue is NOT THAT BAD. It's better than any regional. The pay is OK and probably due to get better, but the benefits are total $hit, and the work rules are nonexistent. A CBA will fix some of these things, but it will take time. ALPA will NOT make everything better tomorrow, but it will improve things. Make no mistake about it, the 'culture' that you read about here is pretty much all bull$hit. We have management that loves to send out happy culture crap in emails and smiley faces, but then they turn around and do stuff like gutting our health insurance, and sponsoring all kinds of charities for Autism while at the same time refusing to cover care for Autistic children for employees.

Rumor is we're getting a double digit raise beginning of next year. Most people who have seen how this management group operates believes that the raise will be offset by some kind of take back, such as loss of premium pay or some kind of cap. This is probably true, but for a guy like me, who doesn't give a rat's a$$ about premium pay because I almost never reach it, I couldn't care less.

I'm 35 and will leave 1st chance I get. Plain and simple, if you are under 40, the math says leave. Now that is excluding extenuating circumstances, such as you live in a JetBlue base, you REALLY like it here for some reason, you're already a lineholder and don't want to start over, don't give a crap about widebody flying, etc. etc. etc. Each person has to evaluate their own situation and make their own choice. I choose to leave. I do not fault those choosing to stay. I question their wisdom, but once again, I am not privvy to their circumstances, nor do I care. I am just going with simple math. JetBlue has a very young pilot group, and advancement here will be much slower than anywhere else, and no union is going to change that. Meanwhile, all the Legacy lists are full of old farts that will be gone within a decade or so. Most of them are scheduled to lose 45-50% of their pilot groups within 10-15 years, in some cases less. Also, given the history of the airline industry, where the big guys swallow the little guys, there is no reason whatsoever to think JetBlue will be JetBlue in the next 5 or 10 years, maybe less. Of course, they could be the exception. People have been saying that since JetBlue's inception, and they are still JetBlue at this point.

Basically, flip a coin. That's about all you can do. This entire stupid career is nothing but a gamble, and all you can do is look at your current situation and make the whatever decision you think is right. You'll find out in 30 years if it was good or bad.

Good luck.

 

[Smarta$$]

Like I said. I'm a numbers guy. I have 30 more years to go. I started when I was 22. Look at the history of airlines. You're naive to think this will hold up for the next 30 years. Make no mistake we are the B team. At that means management to dispatchers. I don't have the faith in them. IROPs will always be an issue. Out business model is too fragile. Come on we can't even get out pilot shirts right.

Actually, I agree.

 

[Smarta$$]

There is a lot of smartassery here. Let's clear up the mud....

Jetblue is NOT THAT BAD. It's better than any regional. The pay is OK and probably due to get better, but the benefits are total $hit, and the work rules are nonexistent. A CBA will fix some of these things, but it will take time. ALPA will NOT make everything better tomorrow, but it will improve things. Make no mistake about it, the 'culture' that you read about here is pretty much all bull$hit. We have management that loves to send out happy culture crap in emails and smiley faces, but then they turn around and do stuff like gutting our health insurance, and sponsoring all kinds of charities for Autism while at the same time refusing to cover care for Autistic children for employees.

Rumor is we're getting a double digit raise beginning of next year. Most people who have seen how this management group operates believes that the raise will be offset by some kind of take back, such as loss of premium pay or some kind of cap. This is probably true, but for a guy like me, who doesn't give a rat's a$$ about premium pay because I almost never reach it, I couldn't care less.

I'm 35 and will leave 1st chance I get. Plain and simple, if you are under 40, the math says leave. Now that is excluding extenuating circumstances, such as you live in a JetBlue base, you REALLY like it here for some reason, you're already a lineholder and don't want to start over, don't give a crap about widebody flying, etc. etc. etc. Each person has to evaluate their own situation and make their own choice. I choose to leave. I do not fault those choosing to stay. I question their wisdom, but once again, I am not privvy to their circumstances, nor do I care. I am just going with simple math. JetBlue has a very young pilot group, and advancement here will be much slower than anywhere else, and no union is going to change that. Meanwhile, all the Legacy lists are full of old farts that will be gone within a decade or so. Most of them are scheduled to lose 45-50% of their pilot groups within 10-15 years, in some cases less. Also, given the history of the airline industry, where the big guys swallow the little guys, there is no reason whatsoever to think JetBlue will be JetBlue in the next 5 or 10 years, maybe less. Of course, they could be the exception. People have been saying that since JetBlue's inception, and they are still JetBlue at this point.

Basically, flip a coin. That's about all you can do. This entire stupid career is nothing but a gamble, and all you can do is look at your current situation and make the whatever decision you think is right. You'll find out in 30 years if it was good or bad.

Good luck.

Also, agree.