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I understand the reasoning, and I don't object.FreedomAList said:Can't really blame him/her. Although there are some court cases that establish legal precedent saying that scab lists aren't leagally prosecutable as "libel", they were cases for lists of guys who crossed actual picket lines during an actual strike.
The door is very much open, however, for a libel suit against anyone publishing/distributing a "scab list" for pilots who are not engaged in flying struck work. I suspect the administrator isn't intrested in getting his hinney sued.
You know what? Everyone says that. They said it about Freedom and they have pilots who have moved on to Southwest, JetBlue, AirTran, etc; and they've said it about PFT'ers and they're everywhere. It's all talk and no action. There are no repercussions to going to GoJets except for maybe getting booted off a few jumpseats.PCL_128 said:Actually, it's both. If you start your career at BloJets, then you'll also have to end it there. You'll never be able to leave, at least not to a real career airline.
You guys have been flying RJ's for peanuts since the first one hit the line. THAT'S the problem.I hope you enjoy flying that RJ for peanuts until the day you turn 60
This one of the few true statements I've heard about GoJets. I figure most guys who work there are going to live in ST Louis anyway, so the jumpseat threat isn't even a big one.You know what? Everyone says that. They said it about Freedom and they have pilots who have moved on to Southwest, JetBlue, AirTran, etc; and they've said it about PFT'ers and they're everywhere. It's all talk and no action. There are no repercussions to going to GoJets except for maybe getting booted off a few jumpseats.
tjsatter said:Not all. EO hired 1/12/04 STL/ATR is not on the new list but the others who were given a leave of absence are.
tj
Remington said:Where do you draw the line?
propjob27 said:However, what should worry them (GoJets pilots) is the merger threat. If TSA is able to force Go-Jets pilots back into their senority list, like Mesa did with Freedom, then anyone who went to Go-Jets is going to have to quit very quickly and find a new job. And if that happens, say a year or so from now, who knows what the job climate will be like then.
Frank Bama said:You guys have to stop being so narrow minded by thinking that this fight is just at the regional level. I commute on Southwest, and have had captains saying that they support the fight that we at Trans States have ahead of us. They said that there was no way that any GOJETS guy would ever jumpseat on their airplanes. Good luck to the backstabbers trying to ride on SWA...
KingKong2 said:Teamster represents Go-Jet, ALPA represents TSA. Best chance for those two lists to merge/staple whatever is if (best case) the following happens: A year from now ALPA wins their grievance (a Hail Mary based on the wording of the TSA scope). Then, the NMB would need to be petitioned to determine if it were a "single carrier." After long and drawn out litigation with the NMB, the NMB would have to agree they are a single carrier (about another 1 ½ years). Then, a representation vote occurs to see if ALPA or Teamsters is the representation body (6 months more). ALPA would likely win, simply more votes. Now, all 4 parties (ALPA, Teamsters, Go-Jet and TSA) need to sit down and negotiated the merger. Basically, these negations would be an up hill battle for ALPA. Management will not agree to retrain all the current Go-Jet pilots to be replaced by more retrained TSA pilots, so mgt will side with the Teamsters, on fences, and anti-flush, to keep costs low. So, after an aprox 3+ year battle, even if Teamsters agreed on the bottom of the TSA list (if TSA is ½ that lucky) the Go-Jet guys will keep their seats until they bid out by the management imposed fences.
Are you sure about EO? I looked and thought he was still there. I guess I'll have to look again...
KingKong2 said:1st....Freedom was NON-UNION. No chance to fight a merger.
2nd Go-Jet is Union.... So, the following is more likely:
Just because you win a grievance does not mean they would get stapled. Freedom got stapled because they had no union. It is highly unlikely that an arbitrator would award any remedy in a case like this. The following would more likely play out:
Teamster represents Go-Jet, ALPA represents TSA. Best chance for those two lists to merge/staple whatever is if (best case) the following happens: A year from now ALPA wins their grievance (a Hail Mary based on the wording of the TSA scope). Then, the NMB would need to be petitioned to determine if it were a "single carrier." After long and drawn out litigation with the NMB, the NMB would have to agree they are a single carrier (about another 1 ½ years). Then, a representation vote occurs to see if ALPA or Teamsters is the representation body (6 months more). ALPA would likely win, simply more votes. Now, all 4 parties (ALPA, Teamsters, Go-Jet and TSA) need to sit down and negotiated the merger. Basically, these negations would be an up hill battle for ALPA. Management will not agree to retrain all the current Go-Jet pilots to be replaced by more retrained TSA pilots, so mgt will side with the Teamsters, on fences, and anti-flush, to keep costs low. So, after an aprox 3+ year battle, even if Teamsters agreed on the bottom of the TSA list (if TSA is ½ that lucky) the Go-Jet guys will keep their seats until they bid out by the management imposed fences.