Future pilot shortage...

[Jetjockey]

Hmmm.... I don't think so. For example, you'd need a degree in Biology and a score on GRE that put you in top 5% just to get into the program. As an example, at our University where there are perhaps several thousand people in the business school there are 8 that are majoring in scientific computing.

Now I do agree that 'any tard with a credit card' can go get a degree. Say in something like communications, marketing, aviation management or criminology. Not that those are subjects that are not worth studying. It's just they are significantly easier to study!

I can tell it upsets you that I would imply flying airplanes is easy and fun. Does it make you angry to imply that?

Hello, my name is Baljeet. I'm here at your American University to learn all I can so that I may one day outsource you.

Now get on with it teach.

 

[Arrow11]

Hmmm.... I don't think so. For example, you'd need a degree in Biology and a score on GRE that put you in top 5% just to get into the program. As an example, at our University where there are perhaps several thousand people in the business school there are 8 that are majoring in scientific computing.

Now I do agree that 'any tard with a credit card' can go get a degree. Say in something like communications, marketing, aviation management or criminology. Not that those are subjects that are not worth studying. It's just they are significantly easier to study!

I can tell it upsets you that I would imply flying airplanes is easy and fun. Does it make you angry to imply that?

You're the one trolling the regional pilot board for kicks and thrills in your spare time, hanging with the jet guys...

My education came free courtesy of Uncle Sam unlike Daddy's credit card like you no doubt, but if I can recall some of the Psych lessons you appear to be displaying some clear tendencies of penis envy syndrome covering your own perceived inadequacies as a pilot by showing off about your top 5% GRE score and some ridiculous job in a field that most of us would spit our beer out laughing at if you told us in a bar...

I feel sorry for you..

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Sounds nice, but it just ain't true.

You guys are all arguing about semantics. Some of you mean shortage defined as, "regional airlines are unable to staff the airline." Those people will be proven correct, I'm afraid.

Others of you define shortage as, "lack of people in the world able to do the job." While it may be true that there isn't going to be a shortage of this type, it isn't relevant to the discussion. All that matters to the regional airline management is whether they can fill the seat, and it won't be long before they can't.

In 2007 we couldn't fill the classes. That's a shortage. It was just delayed due to the economy and age 65.

Continue your pointless semantic arguments, I guess, but the fact remains that all that really matters is if there are flights cancelled due to lack of ability to hire pilots soon.

It sounds to me that there is a shortage coming to the regionals because the job isn't worth it due to the poor QOL, low pay, and no light at the end of the tunnel to move on. Maybe those of you in regional airline management should think about treating your employees better and raising their compensation instead of wringing your hands about how you're going to staff the airplanes in a few years. By reading most of the ASA posts on this board, it doesn't sound like you're doing a very good job!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I think it will get worse, the impact of turnover to be generated by the age 65 retirements starting in about 20 months has not yet been fully felt. I call it the 2012 hiring boom, it has already started. Where will it go? Higher wages? Who will pay for these? The flying public, will the marginal flier elect to fly at those prices? Higher prices for fuel are already making the smaller RJ's cost ineffective, will this mean the end of the 50-70- seat airplane? Will it mean the Jet for trips under 500 miles now that we have nearly 400 Kt T-props. Will there be a balancing of jobs and pilots available as people going into flying declines? Will the hiring boom have people flocking to flight schools to get into this industry? A lot of unknowns.

Listen, to YIP. He's usually right about this stuff. He called the last boom and a few other things. Just ignore his college advice rant.

 

[johnpeace]

And yet interviews are scheduled and classes are full...go figure.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

And yet interviews are scheduled and classes are full...go figure.

Not at compass. We are having trouble finding qualified pilots to even interview not to mention filling the classes. We even offer free ATP's and type ratings in a very valuable type(overseas contracts) for everyone.

Our contract requires ATP mins and we cant fill classes right now. If the government actually comes through with the all airline pilots must meet ATP mins regs there will be a very large shortage at the regional level.

 

[johnpeace]

Airlines will have to change their compensation to attract qualified applicants and retain pilots...that should be fun to watch.

 

[bri5150]

Hmmm.... I don't think so. For example, you'd need a degree in Biology and a score on GRE that put you in top 5% just to get into the program. As an example, at our University where there are perhaps several thousand people in the business school there are 8 that are majoring in scientific computing.

Now I do agree that 'any tard with a credit card' can go get a degree. Say in something like communications, marketing, aviation management or criminology. Not that those are subjects that are not worth studying. It's just they are significantly easier to study!

I can tell it upsets you that I would imply flying airplanes is easy and fun. Does it make you angry to imply that?

No, it angers me that you think someone that is mentally handicapped or smarter can get a commercial license. It just isn't true. As I stated before, I don't think we are looking at the top 5% of the population, but this profession takes a wide variety of skills in which not everyone is able to do it, that's all.

 

[cynic]

No, it angers me that you think someone that is mentally handicapped or smarter can get a commercial license. It just isn't true. As I stated before, I don't think we are looking at the top 5% of the population, but this profession takes a wide variety of skills in which not everyone is able to do it, that's all.

Have you ever actually worked as an instructor? Believe me... give me enough time and money and I am 100% sure I could take someone well below average and teach them to pass a commercial pilot's license.

They GIVE you the questions and answers ahead of time on the written.

Seriously; I think I could take a slightly advanced chimp and given a shock collar and a pile of bananas; I could teach that chimp to land on the numbers!

 

[wt219200]

Have you ever actually worked as an instructor? Believe me... give me enough time and money and I am 100% sure I could take someone well below average and teach them to pass a commercial pilot's license.

They GIVE you the questions and answers ahead of time on the written.

Seriously; I think I could take a slightly advanced chimp and given a shock collar and a pile of bananas; I could teach that chimp to land on the numbers!

Have you ever worked as an airline pilot? Nope. Most of us don't know sh*t about computers just like you don't know sh*t about flying.

The difference between us is that we don't go trying to tell computer nerds that their jobs are easy because how the hell would we know.

Stick to the computers and we'll stick to the planes and banging all the hot chicks.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Have you ever actually worked as an instructor? Believe me... give me enough time and money and I am 100% sure I could take someone well below average and teach them to pass a commercial pilot's license.

They GIVE you the questions and answers ahead of time on the written.

Seriously; I think I could take a slightly advanced chimp and given a shock collar and a pile of bananas; I could teach that chimp to land on the numbers!

Ive worked as an instructor and don't agree with you.

Enough money and time, sure, they'll pass the comm checkride. Its canned anyway. Just like the written. No surprises as to whats being measured or how you'll need to perform. There are plenty of commerical tickets walking around who are frightened to do a full power stall, let alone command a light twin in marginal weather. The written is the easy part. Anyone with an ability to memorize can pass it. Same with passing a checkride. Certification and line flying are two different things. Flying professionally is much more about having an aptitude for it. Getting certificated merely shows an interest in learning the basics of that particular rating.

Back when I instructed, there were COMMs and CFIs who would come in for BFRs and IPCs who never instructed or flew in weather, if at all. They just kept the ticket current because of their love for aviation. Just because you have the minimal certification does not automatically qualify you to fly any particular operation.

This is not about pilots being better than computer specialists, or vice-versa. It has to do with personality and aptitude and what you can stomach for 8 hors a day.

 

[Jetjockey]

Give anyone enough instruction and I bet a large percentage here could pass the GRE, LSAT, MCAT, GMAT, or whatever bs test needed to get into advanced programs. Even a lowly airline pilot like me passed the LSAT with a score good enough to get accepted to law school.

I find it comical that Cynic thinks because he has flown and instructed in light airplanes, he knows what's it like to be a professional pilot. I use a computer, does that make me an expert??? Hardly. I can tell you one thing, sitting indoors all day working in university setting would drive me insane. I wouldn't give your job to a monkey on a rock.

 

[cynic]

Wow... it sounds like you guys are really upset that someone would point out that flying is easy and fun. I have flown professionally but I must confess, it was charter and freight. Not airline flying. Now that I think about it you guys are right. Seeing as how I have never flown an RJ I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.

In fact... lets just say ANY pilot that hasn't flown an RJ sucks.

 

[bri5150]

Wow... it sounds like you guys are really upset that someone would point out that flying is easy and fun. I have flown professionally but I must confess, it was charter and freight. Not airline flying. Now that I think about it you guys are right. Seeing as how I have never flown an RJ I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.

In fact... lets just say ANY pilot that hasn't flown an RJ sucks.

Honestly, I think it is more about your attitude than what you are saying. I hardly ever talk to my Wife about what is on this forum, but I mentioned you said "any tard can get a commercial certificate", and she was appalled. Not so much by the certificate comment, but by the fact you said "any tard'. You don't sound educated, and you are arrogant. At least that's the way I see it by what you write.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Wow... it sounds like you guys are really upset that someone would point out that flying is easy and fun. I have flown professionally but I must confess, it was charter and freight. Not airline flying. Now that I think about it you guys are right. Seeing as how I have never flown an RJ I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.

In fact... lets just say ANY pilot that hasn't flown an RJ sucks.

I remember taking an elective course in computer programming so yeah, I know your job exactly, it was soooo easy. That's how you sound to us. When I got into the airlines I realized that the only thing this and the flying I've done before have in common are two wings and power plants. Between systems, procedures, flows, profiles etc. Honestly I probably forgot more about aviation than you know.

 

[marycon]

Have you ever actually worked as an instructor? Believe me... give me enough time and money and I am 100% sure I could take someone well below average and teach them to pass a commercial pilot's license.

They GIVE you the questions and answers ahead of time on the written.

Seriously; I think I could take a slightly advanced chimp and given a shock collar and a pile of bananas; I could teach that chimp to land on the numbers!

Well, seeing as how somebody obviously made an attempt to teach you how to fly, I guess your theory about the chimp and shock collar is true...

 

[kf4amu]

I'm living proof that any tard can pass a commercial checkride.

 

[johnpeace]

Flying is easy and fun and I'm amazed at how stupid some of the commercial pilots I know are. It's not a contest. Do what you like to do <shrug>

 

[wrxpilot]

Honestly, I think it is more about your attitude than what you are saying. I hardly ever talk to my Wife about what is on this forum, but I mentioned you said "any tard can get a commercial certificate", and she was appalled. Not so much by the certificate comment, but by the fact you said "any tard'. You don't sound educated, and you are arrogant. At least that's the way I see it by what you write.

Agreed. He also reeks of insecurity... Just a sad little person, unhappy with his life. Interestingly, if you look back at some of his earlier posts from a few years ago he was frustrated at not being able to get any callbacks from the regionals.

 

[RJLoser]

I'm living proof that any tard can pass a commercial checkride.

Yeah buddy!