Future pilot shortage...

[ASA_Aviator]

you cannot compare a military aviator to the typical commuter pilot. The military selects the best of the best, not people that barely squeek by.

That's why they can do it at 350 hrs...ability, skill and attitude. Typical entry level airline pilots don't even compare

Hahahahahaha. Wow.

If the airlines paid for training, they could be just as selective.

 

[pilotyip]

Hahahahahaha. Wow.

If the airlines paid for training, they could be just as selective.

And used the equivalent of a ACT 27 as a minimum to start flight training

 

[cynic]

I agree on military pilots. The bar for entry is much higher. It is not the case any bard tard can get through.

My point to the flying fratboy nimrods is that; if it is the case you keep having to use your 'extreme' skill to get out of life threatening situations, you are a bad pilot and you have bad judgment.

While there are exceedingly rare circumstances where super human flying skills matter, those cases are so rare it's irrelevant. No more relevant than extreme super awesome driving skills that would be useful on the interstate if you are presented with some bizarre situation where performing at rolling 360 on two wheels will actually matter.

And if you are interested.... I actually work on a joint research project with the institute for molecular biophysics and one of the country's largest super computing facilities to produce 3d renderings of molecular structures. I'm not too worried about someone in India picking up my job

Although I am generally surprised no airline has managed to fly domestic routes here in the US with low cost pilots.

 

[bri5150]

I agree on military pilots. The bar for entry is much higher. It is not the case any bard tard can get through.

My point to the flying fratboy nimrods is that; if it is the case you keep having to use your 'extreme' skill to get out of life threatening situations, you are a bad pilot and you have bad judgment.

While there are exceedingly rare circumstances where super human flying skills matter, those cases are so rare it's irrelevant. No more relevant than extreme super awesome driving skills that would be useful on the interstate if you are presented with some bizarre situation where performing at rolling 360 on two wheels will actually matter.

And if you are interested.... I actually work on a joint research project with the institute for molecular biophysics and one of the country's largest super computing facilities to produce 3d renderings of molecular structures. I'm not too worried about someone in India picking up my job

Although I am generally surprised no airline has managed to fly domestic routes here in the US with low cost pilots.

"Any tard with a credit card" can go get a college education to learn molecular biophysics and computers. Get over yourself. Are you saying that an Indian isn't smart enough to learn those subjects? Your job is easier to outsource to India than a pilot's. At least to outsource us they have to physical move a human being across the Pacific Ocean every time they come to work (At this point anyways).

 

[cynic]

"Any tard with a credit card" can go get a college education to learn molecular biophysics and computers.

Hmmm.... I don't think so. For example, you'd need a degree in Biology and a score on GRE that put you in top 5% just to get into the program. As an example, at our University where there are perhaps several thousand people in the business school there are 8 that are majoring in scientific computing.

Now I do agree that 'any tard with a credit card' can go get a degree. Say in something like communications, marketing, aviation management or criminology. Not that those are subjects that are not worth studying. It's just they are significantly easier to study!

I can tell it upsets you that I would imply flying airplanes is easy and fun. Does it make you angry to imply that?

 

[Jetjockey]

Hmmm.... I don't think so. For example, you'd need a degree in Biology and a score on GRE that put you in top 5% just to get into the program. As an example, at our University where there are perhaps several thousand people in the business school there are 8 that are majoring in scientific computing.

Now I do agree that 'any tard with a credit card' can go get a degree. Say in something like communications, marketing, aviation management or criminology. Not that those are subjects that are not worth studying. It's just they are significantly easier to study!

I can tell it upsets you that I would imply flying airplanes is easy and fun. Does it make you angry to imply that?

Hello, my name is Baljeet. I'm here at your American University to learn all I can so that I may one day outsource you.

Now get on with it teach.

 

[Arrow11]

Hmmm.... I don't think so. For example, you'd need a degree in Biology and a score on GRE that put you in top 5% just to get into the program. As an example, at our University where there are perhaps several thousand people in the business school there are 8 that are majoring in scientific computing.

Now I do agree that 'any tard with a credit card' can go get a degree. Say in something like communications, marketing, aviation management or criminology. Not that those are subjects that are not worth studying. It's just they are significantly easier to study!

I can tell it upsets you that I would imply flying airplanes is easy and fun. Does it make you angry to imply that?

You're the one trolling the regional pilot board for kicks and thrills in your spare time, hanging with the jet guys...

My education came free courtesy of Uncle Sam unlike Daddy's credit card like you no doubt, but if I can recall some of the Psych lessons you appear to be displaying some clear tendencies of penis envy syndrome covering your own perceived inadequacies as a pilot by showing off about your top 5% GRE score and some ridiculous job in a field that most of us would spit our beer out laughing at if you told us in a bar...

I feel sorry for you..

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Sounds nice, but it just ain't true.

You guys are all arguing about semantics. Some of you mean shortage defined as, "regional airlines are unable to staff the airline." Those people will be proven correct, I'm afraid.

Others of you define shortage as, "lack of people in the world able to do the job." While it may be true that there isn't going to be a shortage of this type, it isn't relevant to the discussion. All that matters to the regional airline management is whether they can fill the seat, and it won't be long before they can't.

In 2007 we couldn't fill the classes. That's a shortage. It was just delayed due to the economy and age 65.

Continue your pointless semantic arguments, I guess, but the fact remains that all that really matters is if there are flights cancelled due to lack of ability to hire pilots soon.

It sounds to me that there is a shortage coming to the regionals because the job isn't worth it due to the poor QOL, low pay, and no light at the end of the tunnel to move on. Maybe those of you in regional airline management should think about treating your employees better and raising their compensation instead of wringing your hands about how you're going to staff the airplanes in a few years. By reading most of the ASA posts on this board, it doesn't sound like you're doing a very good job!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I think it will get worse, the impact of turnover to be generated by the age 65 retirements starting in about 20 months has not yet been fully felt. I call it the 2012 hiring boom, it has already started. Where will it go? Higher wages? Who will pay for these? The flying public, will the marginal flier elect to fly at those prices? Higher prices for fuel are already making the smaller RJ's cost ineffective, will this mean the end of the 50-70- seat airplane? Will it mean the Jet for trips under 500 miles now that we have nearly 400 Kt T-props. Will there be a balancing of jobs and pilots available as people going into flying declines? Will the hiring boom have people flocking to flight schools to get into this industry? A lot of unknowns.

Listen, to YIP. He's usually right about this stuff. He called the last boom and a few other things. Just ignore his college advice rant.

 

[johnpeace]

And yet interviews are scheduled and classes are full...go figure.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

And yet interviews are scheduled and classes are full...go figure.

Not at compass. We are having trouble finding qualified pilots to even interview not to mention filling the classes. We even offer free ATP's and type ratings in a very valuable type(overseas contracts) for everyone.

Our contract requires ATP mins and we cant fill classes right now. If the government actually comes through with the all airline pilots must meet ATP mins regs there will be a very large shortage at the regional level.

 

[johnpeace]

Airlines will have to change their compensation to attract qualified applicants and retain pilots...that should be fun to watch.

 

[bri5150]

Hmmm.... I don't think so. For example, you'd need a degree in Biology and a score on GRE that put you in top 5% just to get into the program. As an example, at our University where there are perhaps several thousand people in the business school there are 8 that are majoring in scientific computing.

Now I do agree that 'any tard with a credit card' can go get a degree. Say in something like communications, marketing, aviation management or criminology. Not that those are subjects that are not worth studying. It's just they are significantly easier to study!

I can tell it upsets you that I would imply flying airplanes is easy and fun. Does it make you angry to imply that?

No, it angers me that you think someone that is mentally handicapped or smarter can get a commercial license. It just isn't true. As I stated before, I don't think we are looking at the top 5% of the population, but this profession takes a wide variety of skills in which not everyone is able to do it, that's all.

 

[cynic]

No, it angers me that you think someone that is mentally handicapped or smarter can get a commercial license. It just isn't true. As I stated before, I don't think we are looking at the top 5% of the population, but this profession takes a wide variety of skills in which not everyone is able to do it, that's all.

Have you ever actually worked as an instructor? Believe me... give me enough time and money and I am 100% sure I could take someone well below average and teach them to pass a commercial pilot's license.

They GIVE you the questions and answers ahead of time on the written.

Seriously; I think I could take a slightly advanced chimp and given a shock collar and a pile of bananas; I could teach that chimp to land on the numbers!

 

[wt219200]

Have you ever actually worked as an instructor? Believe me... give me enough time and money and I am 100% sure I could take someone well below average and teach them to pass a commercial pilot's license.

They GIVE you the questions and answers ahead of time on the written.

Seriously; I think I could take a slightly advanced chimp and given a shock collar and a pile of bananas; I could teach that chimp to land on the numbers!

Have you ever worked as an airline pilot? Nope. Most of us don't know sh*t about computers just like you don't know sh*t about flying.

The difference between us is that we don't go trying to tell computer nerds that their jobs are easy because how the hell would we know.

Stick to the computers and we'll stick to the planes and banging all the hot chicks.