Future pilot shortage...

[Jetjockey]

I'm living proof that any tard can pass a commercial checkride.

The real challenge is getting your ATP, a type rating in something that requires one, and making a living in this brutal industry for 25 years.

Then you can have fun with a pent up, unsatisfied Mensa computer geek knocking your chosen career path.

All in fun Cynic, I can go all day this with debate.

 

[wt219200]

Wow... it sounds like you guys are really upset that someone would point out that flying is easy and fun. I have flown professionally but I must confess, it was charter and freight. Not airline flying. Now that I think about it you guys are right. Seeing as how I have never flown an RJ I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.

In fact... lets just say ANY pilot that hasn't flown an RJ sucks.

Did you just change your profile to show you had an ATP? Hmmmmm.

I'm also a computer programmer with the NSA and the CIA and I'm awesome. I quit though because it was too damn easy. Any "tard" you know what I'm saying?

 

[kf4amu]

The real challenge is getting your ATP, a type rating in something that requires one, and making a living in this brutal industry for 25 years.

When I get the opportunity to upgrade I'll get back on here and let ya'll know if tards can get their ATP.

If I stay in this industry for 25 years, that will without a doubt be the most accurate proof that I am in fact, a tard and I'm too stupid to do anything else.

 

[pilotyip]

The real challenge is getting your ATP

ATP is a piece of cake, I did mine with a FAA inspector in a Grumman Tiger, fixed gear, single engine, fixed pitch prop. Took less than an hour. Did it so I would never have to take the written again and be able to put ATP on my resume.

 

[Kingairrick]

Seems like the ATP was a bigger deal back then when we had to take our logbooks to the FSDO and have our flight hours verified before we could take the ATP written...But any tard could pencil whip a logbook.

 

[Jetjockey]

When I get the opportunity to upgrade I'll get back on here and let ya'll know if tards can get their ATP.

If I stay in this industry for 25 years, that will without a doubt be the most accurate proof that I am in fact, a tard and I'm too stupid to do anything else.

Actually, no need to wait.........you already proved your a tard.

 

[Jetjockey]

ATP is a piece of cake, I did mine with a FAA inspector in a Grumman Tiger, fixed gear, single engine, fixed pitch prop. Took less than an hour. Did it so I would never have to take the written again and be able to put ATP on my resume.

Getting an ATP is a single engine is like kissing your sister, and bragging to your friends you made out with a girl. YIP, I can see why you have spent your flying career at some run-down operator at Ypslianti, MI.

 

[johnpeace]

Getting an ATP is a single engine is like kissing your sister, and bragging to your friends you made out with a girl.

You must work at Delta, right?

 

[pilotyip]

Getting an ATP is a single engine is like kissing your sister, and bragging to your friends you made out with a girl. YIP, I can see why you have spent your flying career at some run-down operator at Ypslianti, MI.

I am always high, high on my chosen profession, every day in this business a happy day. It goes back to the days of sitting in the Howard Johnson's in Belleville Michigan back in 1964. Listening to the Zantop pilots talk about their adventure in their C-46's. Having one of their pilots, 'Firecan Haddock" solo me in the C-172 at YIP in 1965. I am still living the dream, and cannot believe I have been so lucky to be where I am today. I guess there is not much of that anymore, particularly on this site. YIP is what you make of it, for a native Michigander who has lived all over the US I kinda like it. No hurricanes, no floods, a couple tornadoes once in while, and ice and snow. However, in Michigan ice and snow is not really a big deal like it is down south, they are equipped to handle it. The season change is something you really enjoy, unlike living in FL. where you go Ho Hum another beautiful day, so what. In Michigan, people call in sick on beautiful days. Flying out of YIP will make you one of the best instrument pilots in the country, YIP ranks up with SEA for the number of IFR days. In YIP you will learn the real meaning of clean airplane, deicing is a way of life you get really good at understanding holdover time. At YIP you will develop flying skills that allow you move onto your career destination, even if you do not care for the area like some guys. It gives them the resume fluff to move to their next job. We all pay our dues in some way; YIP is only one way, some do it in the military, some do it at the commuters. So some other people must have found YIP is an all right place to spend some time. How many major airports are there in the country where you can live 10 minutes from the parking lot on an acre of land for less than 100K? Where else can you still get one dollar fifty drafts at places like the Wedge? As I said at the start YIP is what you make of it, some people say it is OK, others do not like it here and do not apply. Simple choices. I have had a ball and think I am really lucky for the adventure I have had. BTW I suffer from the KYIP curse, my father was building B-24 bombers here 68 years ago when I was born, have worked in every building on the field, I have tried to escape many times, including 11 years in Uncle Sam's Navy, but it keeps calling me back.

You must work at Delta, right?

no that is where a couple of my buddies without college degrees and with no ATP's went.

 

[Jetjockey]

Hey YIP, I've lived in Canton, to Ann Arbor. I flew out of DTW for the better part of 9 years. People don't believe me when I say I once had to de-ice 9 times in one day. Icing to thunderstorms. Low IFR is the norm. You don't have to sell me on the challenges of Midwest flying. (it's probably a piece of cake for Mensa president Cynic being a genius and all)

As far as KYIP goes, I spent a few hours milling around the Yankee Air Museum, and Connie's collection of then dilapidated flying museum aircraft (way old ratty looking dc-8s). The Zantop collection was even worse. Murray Air, ect...interesting group of operators there at KYIP. That place was stepping stone for many pilots, glad your happy you made it your final destination.

 

[kf4amu]

Actually, no need to wait.........you already proved your a tard.

So when I get my ATP will everyone shut up about it being only for the select few?

 

[cynic]

So when I get my ATP will everyone shut up about it being only for the select few?

I got mine with $2000 in JAX!

So you would be one of the select few with $2000 to spare. It turns out the 'right stuff' is ca$h

 

[Jetjockey]

I got mine with $2000 in JAX!

So you would be one of the select few with $2000 to spare. It turns out the 'right stuff' is ca$h

Like putting a screen door on submarine in your case. Useless. You should have used that $2,000 in Vegas. You might have had a chance of interaction with a female..................assuming you like them.

I bet you brag to your geek computer buddies your a pilot..........So easy, a PhD in Scientific Computing can do it.

 

[Jetjockey]

Interesting Cynic didn't have an ATP before he starting yapping about easy it was. Then he changes his profile. Interesting he forgot to change less than 1500 hours. Isn't that a requirement?

Look for his Shuttle rating next.

 

[Jetjockey]

Next discussion, why Universities are trending away from the tenure track.

To get rid rid of worthless, lazy, inept, egotistical professors who think the world revolves around them. The think they are so irreplaceable. I say take away their pensions, boot them to the curb with thier high salaries and let the younger, more energenic professors teach.

 

[greed]

First off.... single pilot IFR in a twin piston turbo with no autopilot is WAY more difficult than flying around in an RJ or a citation. you guys are nuts!

Not really in the discussion, but I fly single pilot in an old steam gauge Citation with no modern avionics and it is not that easy. No FMS or glass on this old bird, but it keeps my skills sharp on the part 91 anything "safe" goes days.

 

[JAFI]

Seems like the ATP was a bigger deal back then when we had to take our logbooks to the FSDO and have our flight hours verified before we could take the ATP written...But any tard could pencil whip a logbook.

I remember when I went to the ACDO (Air Carrier District Office) No FSDO's back then....... and had my log book reviewed. It took over an hour as the Inspector went page by page and asked about my flying experience. He knew most of the people I worked with, had flown some of the same aircraft, and even knew some of the problem aircraft with systems that just never worked right. I looked at it as a rite of passage.

I had a co-worker going for his ATP log book sign off show me his log book. He was trying to impress me with his 150 hours of Boeing 737 time. I asked him how he could log 737 PIC time when he was not rated in a 737 and never worked for a company that flew 737's. In hind sight I should not have said anything but let him show his log book that way.

There is a difference between stupidity and ignorance. Stupid is bone deep, ignorance is just lack of education. You can teach the ignorant. With stupidity the only cure is death.

Using the word "tard" is bad form. Someone born with a medical (mental) condition (retarded) should not be scorned. They can't help it. Someone who is stupid, IMHO choses to be that way. Being ignorant is lack of education.

So how again is any of this to do with a "pilot shortage"?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

It sounds to me that there is a shortage coming to the regionals because the job isn't worth it due to the poor QOL, low pay, and no light at the end of the tunnel to move on. Maybe those of you in regional airline management should think about treating your employees better and raising their compensation instead of wringing your hands about how you're going to staff the airplanes in a few years. By reading most of the ASA posts on this board, it doesn't sound like you're doing a very good job!

I think the regionals have some problems coming their way, notably the compensation they get from the Majors. Unless the business model changes, regional airlines are going to have some big changes over the next few years. Hopefully I'll be gone by then.

Sure, pay can go up, but only so much. It isn't the top-end pay that is the problem, it is the bottom-end pay. The unions are the ones who have focused on the top-end, and essentially ignored the bottom-end.

It would make way more sense to start in the mid 40s, and end in the low 90s rather than make a much smaller wage for so long before getting into the bigger dollars. Financially it is better to make a modest wage for a long period of time than a low wage for a long time, then a high wage for the last 10 years. But hey, I'm not an accountant.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

It can be done, look at the military the 350 hr is flying on to a boat at night in IFR rain, how does he do it? He trains to do it.

PT,
The military pilots are the best of the best, cream of the crop, unlike the latest generation of entitlement generation crop of knuckleheads flying the average RJ. To equate a 350 hr Naval Aviator doing night traps to a 350 hr Bridge School grad who's parents "loaned" him/her the money to jump start their airline career isn't appropriate. Kind of like comparing Sen. John Glenn to CX880.
'nuff said!
PBR

 

[jonjuan]

Next discussion, why Universities are trending away from the tenure track.

To get rid rid of worthless, lazy, inept, egotistical professors who think the world revolves around them. The think they are so irreplaceable. I say take away their pensions, boot them to the curb with thier high salaries and let the younger, more energenic professors teach.

Which is why unions are trying to get a toehold in University jobs.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2011-03-03-column03_ST_N.htm

There are other reasons for the new-found love between unions and the ivory tower. First, the colleges employ white-collar workers, a group increasingly targeted by unions as factory jobs disappear. And second, they are public employees. According to a 2010 report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the majority of the country's union members are government workers, rather than private-sector workers, for the first time. Moreover, the anti-corporate tone on many campuses and the left-leaning political views of college professors make them naturally more receptive to the union message.
But the unions could in turn make the environment more left-leaning. As historian KC Johnson wrote in an article on the perils of academic unions, "Since few academics enter the profession to become labor activists, those who gravitate toward union service are more likely to fall on the fringes of a professoriate that already is ideologically one-sided."
The rise of adjunct labor is also an important reason that faculty have been increasingly open to organizing. With the job market in academia so competitive and positions so unstable, many professors have decided that if they can't have tenure, they'll take the security of a union instead. Of course, plenty of faculty members have both. And with that sort of belt-and-suspenders security you can expect that even the laziest, most incompetent or radical professor won't get fired.
Solidarity over education
Some observers worry that unions desire more than job protection. They want to influence how the whole system works. Peter Kirsanow, a former member of the National Labor Relations Board, has noted that unions "want to get into curricula, class schedules, grading norms, etc."