Furloughed Options Pilots SCREWED??.Again ?

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

TWA
I didn't know the fence agreement was finalized.

It was not, however that is what your union proposed.

Each side would be fenced to aircraft each pilots currently fly at their operation. Last time I checked you don't fly challenger 300s. Oh, and flying them for FJ wouldn't count, since that would still be "our" side of the fence.

You guys should quit drooling over our airplanes and how you will be captains on them. It just isn't going to happen. You are being given the opportunity to come fly them, however it will be as a SIC as all new hires do.

Your union needs to focus on your future contaract as negotiantions can start this fall. Your future is tied to your next contract.

I truly wish the best for you guys. I hope your next contract is everything you hope it will be. Maybe then you will quit worrying about the FJ side of the company so much.

 

[Club ORD FO]

His next move will surely be to freeze the Flex pilots pay, change your schedule to an 8/7 and cut some benefits. .

That won't happen. KR has stated that he prefers our bid system to the 8/7 because it allows for flexibility during peak and non peak. 8/7 means you have the same staffing year round which is not what is needed in this business.

 

[doh]

That won't happen. KR has stated that he prefers our bid system to the 8/7 because it allows for flexibility during peak and non peak. 8/7 means you have the same staffing year round which is not what is needed in this business.

The way I understand it is that the extra airline costs of our schedules are more than offset by the savings on charters during peak days.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

FO has a 16+2 flex schedule. That's how they try to meet the demand for trips.

 

[learflyer]

So where does the XOJET rumor fall into all of this? Y'all are being selfish.

 

[slowtation capt]

6/5/2014

We will start interviewing active FO pilots this fall who wish to resign and come to FJ,

6/5/2014

Confirmed on Saturday during the pilot conference call.

6/1/2014

Will still offer preferential interviews to furloughed FO pilots, but now will do the same for active FO pilots that want to come to FJ

8/30/2014

I was as suprised when this was announced as everyone else.

I personally don't like it. I feel FO pilots should have to interview to move to the FJ operation. I guess it shouldn't bother me. The people on here need the protection of the union and wouldn't step our from under its umbrella of protection.

I also have friends on the outside that want to work at FJ and now they are being pushed further away from an interview.

Interested to hear what your beloved union has to say about this. I would think they would have had to sign off on it.

Still surprised by this announcement?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

6/5/2014


6/5/2014


6/1/2014



8/30/2014


Still surprised by this announcement?

Very much so.

I don't think we should take any FO pilots that we don't interview first.

We did it for your furloughed pilots, why should this be any different?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Who are you,the gatekeeper?

 

[gunfyter]

I don't know how the deal compare's with NJ new hire pay and sched and basing ... But when NJA starts street hiring next year a 300 type might be attractive.

 

[luckydog]

Who are you,the gatekeeper?

Are you the key master? If you are, we really need to keep you two apart.

Although, the sight of a 100' Stay-Puft marshmallow man tearing up NY might be kind of cool.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vblJ6RF7rM

 

[luckydog]

I was thinking more on the lines of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-sALU_hveA

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Who are you,the gatekeeper?

Does your union have a position on this?

I am sure they had input into this since the have a "seat at the table" which your dues pay for.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Can't speak for the union, but you seem to be the one putting up roadblocks to bringing back a few of our pilots.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Can't speak for the union, but you seem to be the one putting up roadblocks to bringing back a few of our pilots.

What roadblocks am I puting up?

Your furloughed pilots have recall rights to FO per your CBA. Last time I checked there are no provisions for them to be recalled to FJ, hence why they had to interview.

The same goes for your active pilots. You are not a FJ employee and the way to become one should be just like the rest of us, through the interview process. The precedent has been set by us interviewing your furloughed pilots, is there some reason you feel you are more qualified and should be able to bypass the interview process. The only difference between you and your furloughed pilots is a seniority number.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

So according to you, Uncle cannot claim he is bringing the furloughed pilots back.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

So according to you, Uncle cannot claim he is bringing the furloughed pilots back.

The furloughed pilots are only being "brought" back if they are recalled to FO.

A furloughed pilot who is hired at FJ is still furloughed from FO and has recall rights. Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

 

[chainring]

The Union will get voted out and Kenn will merge the 2 pilot groups just like he did with Travel Air and Options. Either DOH or the percentage method. He will take a vote from all the pilots and go with whichever one gets the most votes.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

The Union will get voted out and Kenn will merge the 2 pilot groups just like he did with Travel Air and Options. Either DOH or the percentage method. He will take a vote from all the pilots and go with whichever one gets the most votes.

Who exactly is going to petition the NMB for a single carrier ruling?

 

[chainring]

Hard to say how it will unfold. I feel more and more Options guys I talk with are ready to let the chips fall where they may and file and vote. Or if enough Options guys fill out the yellow cards for either In house, 1108 or no union then I believe it could force the Unions hand. At some point I think even the Union knows they will have to file.