Furloughed Options Pilots SCREWED??.Again ?

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

What part of lowering labor costs to maximize profits do you not understand?

How are they lowering costs.

Any Captain from FO coming over to FJ will be the highest paid FOs at FJ. FO FOs that come over will be somewhat close to their current pay so it would be pretty much a wash.

Our crew cost per aircraft will go up until the FO pilots that were PICs pay meets the FJ pay and that won't happen until they can hold PIC on the FJ seniority list.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

TWA
I didn't know the fence agreement was finalized.

 

[doh]

Okay, here is how it's supposed to work to bring back furloughs. Every FO pilot who comes over creates a slot at FO for a furloughed FO pilot. Don't shoot me! I'm not commenting on the value of the offer. Each individual must determine the value for themselves, but that is the idea.

 

[Frac Cap]

But this doesn't make sense. Why would a company spend an extra 40-50K in overall training costs which includes loss of productivity with double training just to let some Flops guys get in Flex aircraft before a furlough guy. I thought some of our furlough guys already were in the pool waiting for a class date. I guess there must be more than meets the eye here for this new about face for the guys that really need the job. I feel very sorry for those guys and my heart goes out to them.

 

[Fresh Air]

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[TWA 2 ASA FO]

TWA
I didn't know the fence agreement was finalized.

It was not, however that is what your union proposed.

Each side would be fenced to aircraft each pilots currently fly at their operation. Last time I checked you don't fly challenger 300s. Oh, and flying them for FJ wouldn't count, since that would still be "our" side of the fence.

You guys should quit drooling over our airplanes and how you will be captains on them. It just isn't going to happen. You are being given the opportunity to come fly them, however it will be as a SIC as all new hires do.

Your union needs to focus on your future contaract as negotiantions can start this fall. Your future is tied to your next contract.

I truly wish the best for you guys. I hope your next contract is everything you hope it will be. Maybe then you will quit worrying about the FJ side of the company so much.

 

[Club ORD FO]

His next move will surely be to freeze the Flex pilots pay, change your schedule to an 8/7 and cut some benefits. .

That won't happen. KR has stated that he prefers our bid system to the 8/7 because it allows for flexibility during peak and non peak. 8/7 means you have the same staffing year round which is not what is needed in this business.

 

[doh]

That won't happen. KR has stated that he prefers our bid system to the 8/7 because it allows for flexibility during peak and non peak. 8/7 means you have the same staffing year round which is not what is needed in this business.

The way I understand it is that the extra airline costs of our schedules are more than offset by the savings on charters during peak days.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

FO has a 16+2 flex schedule. That's how they try to meet the demand for trips.

 

[learflyer]

So where does the XOJET rumor fall into all of this? Y'all are being selfish.

 

[slowtation capt]

6/5/2014

We will start interviewing active FO pilots this fall who wish to resign and come to FJ,

6/5/2014

Confirmed on Saturday during the pilot conference call.

6/1/2014

Will still offer preferential interviews to furloughed FO pilots, but now will do the same for active FO pilots that want to come to FJ

8/30/2014

I was as suprised when this was announced as everyone else.

I personally don't like it. I feel FO pilots should have to interview to move to the FJ operation. I guess it shouldn't bother me. The people on here need the protection of the union and wouldn't step our from under its umbrella of protection.

I also have friends on the outside that want to work at FJ and now they are being pushed further away from an interview.

Interested to hear what your beloved union has to say about this. I would think they would have had to sign off on it.

Still surprised by this announcement?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

6/5/2014


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6/1/2014



8/30/2014


Still surprised by this announcement?

Very much so.

I don't think we should take any FO pilots that we don't interview first.

We did it for your furloughed pilots, why should this be any different?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Who are you,the gatekeeper?

 

[gunfyter]

I don't know how the deal compare's with NJ new hire pay and sched and basing ... But when NJA starts street hiring next year a 300 type might be attractive.

 

[luckydog]

Who are you,the gatekeeper?

Are you the key master? If you are, we really need to keep you two apart.

Although, the sight of a 100' Stay-Puft marshmallow man tearing up NY might be kind of cool.