Furloughed Options Pilots SCREWED??.Again ?

[William Holiday]

Word on the street is? KR is offering jobs to active Flight Options Pilots, at Flex jet. I do not know the details, but it appears FO is trying to undermine all the employee groups both at Flex and at Options. Create division amongst members of the IBT 1108 and terminate the furloughed pilots at Options. If this is true?? Does anyone have any info?? Whoa, kind of scary for every employee of these companies, if this is how you treat people.

 

[z28b]

If 1108 wasn't so scared of a vote they would file for single carrier status merge the seniority list and the furloughed pilots would get called back. Just like KR wants.

 

[William Holiday]

If 1108 wasn't so scared of a vote they would file for single carrier status merge the seniority list and the furloughed pilots would get called back. Just like KR wants.

Huh...interesting

 

[squawk]

FJ reached out to FO furloughs and interviewed months ago.

 

[William Holiday]

FJ reached out to FO furloughs and interviewed months ago.

One of the problems was, no one was hired, from whats been said.

 

[V1 Rotate]

I know one is on the seniority list and maybe another 5-6 are awaiting class dates? Someone in the know may be able to clarify more clearly. It appears that it's a backdoor way, over time, of stapling the FLOPs guys to the bottom of the Flexjet list and the more that come over lessens the power of the 1108. Just me speculating but nothing of this caliber was ever mentioned when the "separate companies" speech was given multiple times less than just year ago. And for the ones that do come over they should be required to relinquish their FLOPs seniority number.

 

[gunfyter]

Someone wanna give us outsiders the Cliff Notes on this situation?

How are people getting screwed?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Apparently the plan is for the FLOPS guys to get 300 time then follow the used 300's back to FLOPS. Flex gets the new 350's. Flops pilots will then get a raise and Uncle looks like a hero to his hand picked pilots.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Apparently the plan is for the FLOPS guys to get 300 time then follow the used 300's back to FLOPS. Flex gets the new 350's. Flops pilots will then get a raise and Uncle looks like a hero to his hand picked pilots.

Wrong as usual.

The active FO pilots wanted the option to transition to FJ and said it was unfair that junior pilots that were furloughed were being given the opportunity before them. Now, who is screwing the furloughed pilots?

Who told you this, or did you fabricate this to try to scare the FJ pilots? The 300s are now and will continue to be operated by FJ pilots. Even your union has started that in their fence agreement it will be aircraft specific. Last time I checked you didn't operate 300s.

The older 300s will be operated as a FO product, but flown by FJ pilots. This had been made clear several times by management. If you want to fly that coveted 300, bid over to FJ during the open enrollment period and you might get to, depending on what aircraft are available.

Right now it looks like only a Lear positions will be available, so you might want to hold off, but then again that puts you lower on our seniority list with regards to schedule/vacation/upgrade.

 

[dime line]

Wrong as usual.

The active FO pilots wanted the option to transition to FJ and said it was unfair that junior pilots that were furloughed were being given the opportunity before them. Now, who is screwing the furloughed pilots?[/]

Your an idiot! Do you really believe this. This idea is all upper management (that's you)

 

[el raton]

Wrong as usual.

The active FO pilots wanted the option to transition to FJ and said it was unfair that junior pilots that were furloughed were being given the opportunity before them. Now, who is screwing the furloughed pilots?[/]

Your an idiot! Do you really believe this. This idea is all upper management (that's you)

Dime, he's not management.

 

[jetwash]

I do not understand why the Flex pilots think this is such a great deal for the FO pilots. You should be a little worried.

Sure they will go to the bottom of your seniority list and all become coffee boys, what you all seem to be missing is what else is going to happen.

Kenn is going to see that Flight Options pilots are willing fly CL300 and Lear 45 for 100K per year and a 401K match with a promise of a small raise in 4 to 7 years.

It will just prove to Kenn that the Flex pilots are over paid since he will now have a group of pilots willing to do the work for $40K less per year then he is paying the Flex pilots. His next move will surely be to freeze the Flex pilots pay, change your schedule to an 8/7 and cut some benefits. When the Flex pilots get pi$$ed off and start to look for other jobs due to the changes he will be able to just bring up the FO pilots and give them $110 K per year.

The FO pilots will increase in pay and benefits a little and be happy, he will get rid of some of those high price Flex pilots then bring in the furloughed Options Pilots to fill in the holes left at Options from pilots who slide over to the Flex side.

In the end Kenn wins.

 

[luckydog]

I do not understand why the Flex pilots think this is such a great deal for the FO pilots. You should be a little worried.

Sure they will go to the bottom of your seniority list and all become coffee boys, what you all seem to be missing is what else is going to happen.

Kenn is going to see that Flight Options pilots are willing fly CL300 and Lear 45 for 100K per year and a 401K match with a promise of a small raise in 4 to 7 years.

It will just prove to Kenn that the Flex pilots are over paid since he will now have a group of pilots willing to do the work for $40K less per year then he is paying the Flex pilots. His next move will surely be to freeze the Flex pilots pay, change your schedule to an 8/7 and cut some benefits. When the Flex pilots get pi$$ed off and start to look for other jobs due to the changes he will be able to just bring up the FO pilots and give them $110 K per year.

The FO pilots will increase in pay and benefits a little and be happy, he will get rid of some of those high price Flex pilots then bring in the furloughed Options Pilots to fill in the holes left at Options from pilots who slide over to the Flex side.

In the end Kenn wins.

Wow, FLOPs really needs to step up the drug testing over there or add a conspiracy nut detection routine.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Wrong as usual.

The active FO pilots wanted the option to transition to FJ and said it was unfair that junior pilots that were furloughed were being given the opportunity before them. Now, who is screwing the furloughed pilots?[/]

Your an idiot! Do you really believe this. This idea is all upper management (that's you)

I was as suprised when this was announced as everyone else.

I personally don't like it. I feel FO pilots should have to interview to move to the FJ operation. I guess it shouldn't bother me. The people on here need the protection of the union and wouldn't step our from under its umbrella of protection.

I also have friends on the outside that want to work at FJ and now they are being pushed further away from an interview.

Interested to hear what your beloved union has to say about this. I would think they would have had to sign off on it.

 

[jetwash]

Wow, FLOPs really needs to step up the drug testing over there or add a conspiracy nut detection routine.

What part of lowering labor costs to maximize profits do you not understand?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

What part of lowering labor costs to maximize profits do you not understand?

How are they lowering costs.

Any Captain from FO coming over to FJ will be the highest paid FOs at FJ. FO FOs that come over will be somewhat close to their current pay so it would be pretty much a wash.

Our crew cost per aircraft will go up until the FO pilots that were PICs pay meets the FJ pay and that won't happen until they can hold PIC on the FJ seniority list.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

TWA
I didn't know the fence agreement was finalized.

 

[doh]

Okay, here is how it's supposed to work to bring back furloughs. Every FO pilot who comes over creates a slot at FO for a furloughed FO pilot. Don't shoot me! I'm not commenting on the value of the offer. Each individual must determine the value for themselves, but that is the idea.

 

[Frac Cap]

But this doesn't make sense. Why would a company spend an extra 40-50K in overall training costs which includes loss of productivity with double training just to let some Flops guys get in Flex aircraft before a furlough guy. I thought some of our furlough guys already were in the pool waiting for a class date. I guess there must be more than meets the eye here for this new about face for the guys that really need the job. I feel very sorry for those guys and my heart goes out to them.

 

[Fresh Air]

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