Furloughed Options Pilots SCREWED??.Again ?

[doh]

TWA, didn't the man himself say something about wanting to realize the synergies by combining us? It was in the first talk he gave. If the man himself wants us merged, it's my experience it happens regardless. But time will tell, nothing to get cranked up about that I can see.

 

[TakeX]

Exactly...

Hard to say how it will unfold. I feel more and more Options guys I talk with are ready to let the chips fall where they may and file and vote. Or if enough Options guys fill out the yellow cards for either In house, 1108 or no union then I believe it could force the Unions hand. At some point I think even the Union knows they will have to file.

Exactly. When the FO pilot group realizes the union's leadership cares more about union survival than a legitimate merger (where current seniority would dictate pilot opportunities...no bottom of the list), then the cards will follow.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

If this opportunity for FO pilots was truly a chance for growth at FJ,Why are they granting LOA's for only 2 years. I'll stay where i'm at and see what happens when the FO pilots return.

 

[dash_trash]

FJ reached out to FO furloughs and interviewed months ago.

Not completely true ... several of us were never contacted ... no training or background issues ... just involvement in the unions beginnings is my guess.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Not completely true ... several of us were never contacted ... no training or background issues ... just involvement in the unions beginnings is my guess.

We only reached out to the top 100. I believe there are still about 80 +\- left to call after all the active pilots have a chance to move over.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

WRONG! One of the guys I know is in the top 50 and never got a call. So i'll call BS on that one.

 

[el raton]

WRONG! One of the guys I know is in the top 50 and never got a call. So i'll call BS on that one.

Well there may have been a reason. We don't have to follow any call back rights for FO pilots. Flexjet can use almost any criteria it wants to pick and choose from your furloughed pilots.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

WRONG! One of the guys I know is in the top 50 and never got a call. So i'll call BS on that one.

I am sure the people who made the calls for interviews only were able to contact those on the list provided by FO. How would FJ know anything about your guy if he wasn't on that list?

I am suprised that your union didn't step up and try to provide an accurate list to FJ to ensure that their furloughed brothers were being treated fairly. Maybe they only feel a responsibility to protect the rights of their active members that are paying them dues.

It is so easy for you to always throw the blame totally on management, however your union should have stuck up for your furloughed members.

 

[dime line]

I am sure the people who made the calls for interviews only were able to contact those on the list provided by FO. How would FJ know anything about your guy if he wasn't on that list?

I am suprised that your union didn't step up and try to provide an accurate list to FJ to ensure that their furloughed brothers were being treated fairly. Maybe they only feel a responsibility to protect the rights of their active members that are paying them dues.

It is so easy for you to always throw the blame totally on management, however your union should have stuck up for your furloughed members.

It's really easy to blame management, if management doesn't invite the union to the party the union doesn't know a party is going on. It's 100% management.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

It's really easy to blame management, if management doesn't invite the union to the party the union doesn't know a party is going on. It's 100% management.

The line pilots at FO were aware we were planning to interview furloughed pilots. Your union leadership is made up of line pilots. Not sure who they could be unaware.

You seem to always find a way to have the union be blameless.

Why don't you post e email that was sent to the FO pilots from the IBT telling them not to bid over to FJ.

I think the IBT is afraid of losing revenue, sorry dues.

BTW, your pilots aren't listening to their union. Quite a few have already put in to bid over to FJ.

 

[slowtation capt]

BTW, your pilots aren't listening to their union. Quite a few have already put in to bid over to FJ.

Since you all ways seem to have the inside information that nobody else does. Do tell us, are they senior or junior FO guys putting their "interest" for FJ in?
Because I see zero benefit for any senior guy to want to move to FJ.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

I never got an email from the union not to bid. I'll call BS on that one too.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Since you all ways seem to have the inside information that nobody else does. Do tell us, are they senior or junior FO guys putting their "interest" for FJ in?
Because I see zero benefit for any senior guy to want to move to FJ.

I have no clue the seniority of people putting in for it.

I would assume it would be the majority if not all your FOs.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

It's really easy to blame management, if management doesn't invite the union to the party the union doesn't know a party is going on. It's 100% management.

Ok, now you can't have it both ways.

You guys keep selling us that if we get a union we will have a "seat at the table" and have a say in our future.

Now you are saying that management isn't inviting the union to the party.

If I were a FO pilot represented by the IBT I sure as heck would be asking the union to get involved. Either the union has the power to get involved and make a change or they are powerless.

Onh that's right, they are telling you guys not to bid over. Since they have no control they just tell you not to do it.

 

[slowtation capt]

Some small cabin PIC's might be interested. The letter doesn't state hiring as SIC's at FJ. Even says in there "if hired as lr or challenger PIC"

 

[dash_trash]

We only reached out to the top 100. I believe there are still about 80 +\- left to call after all the active pilots have a chance to move over.

Again not true ... I'm in the top 100 and so are the other I know who have not been contacted ... I've had the same address and phone number for the last nine years, so that can't be used as an excuse.

I believe my prior union involvement might have something to do with it ... same as the others.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Some small cabin PIC's might be interested. The letter doesn't state hiring as SIC's at FJ. Even says in there "if hired as lr or challenger PIC"

I will make this easy.

You will not be PICs. You will retain your PIC status at FO.

You will be a new hire at FJ.

 

[The Architect]

The Position is...

I will make this easy.

You will not be PICs. You will retain your PIC status at FO.

You will be a new hire at FJ.

Are you really so sure? They already did things out of seniority with the Global pilots. You are an "at will" employee. Management has NO requirement to honor seniority.

Date: August 26, 2014
To: Flight Options Pilots

"A Legacy Captain in his 16th Year will stay on the FO scale if hired as a Learjet Captain; and will transition to the FX scale in his 10th Year if hired as a Challenger Captain."

Sounds like a Flight Options pilot won't know what position he's getting until after his name in the hat via "bid."

So, Flight Options pilots put in for the move and then management picks and chooses who flies what. Great deal.


Also, please keep using the word "bid."

As in "bid" over here. "Bid" for the position at Flexjet.

Good stuff for a lawsuit.

 

[el raton]

Are you really so sure? They already did things out of seniority with the Global pilots. You are an "at will" employee. Management has NO requirement to honor seniority.

Date: August 26, 2014
To: Flight Options Pilots

"A Legacy Captain in his 16th Year will stay on the FO scale if hired as a Learjet Captain; and will transition to the FX scale in his 10th Year if hired as a Challenger Captain."

Sounds like a Flight Options pilot won't know what position he's getting until after his name in the hat via "bid."

So, Flight Options pilots put in for the move and then management picks and chooses who flies what. Great deal.


Also, please keep using the word "bid."

As in "bid" over here. "Bid" for the position at Flexjet.

Good stuff for a lawsuit.

Comparing FO pilots transitioning to Flex with the Global program is comparing apples to oranges and further proves you're just trying to spread fear.

 

[The Architect]

Fear?

Comparing FO pilots transitioning to Flex with the Global program is comparing apples to oranges and further proves you're just trying to spread fear.

I have said nothing about "fear" or being "afraid" of any of these on-goings.

Just discussing what is happening and what the implications may be.

Nice try. But those are not "apples to oranges" comparisons.

The fact remains constant that Flight Options seniority listed pilots retain their Flight Options seniority list number, fly aircraft under the control of Flexjet (Globals and whatever other aircraft assigned) and are given a seniority number after CW on the Flexjet seniority list.

On a side note. CW is a furloughed Flight Options pilot. So, he holds a seniority number on both lists. The other Flight Options furloughed pilots in the Flexjet hiring pool were told to go pound sand.