Full FedEx TA now available at ALPA website.

[active_herk]

If you want to view it, the whole thing is now on the members only section of the ALPA website under the FDX section. Happy viewing.

 

[Baby Cakes]

For those like me that don't have ALPA keys here is a summary \ http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/showthread.php?t=5795

 

[FedExFlyer]

Or the whole kit and caboodle........

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/option,com_docman/task,cat_view/gid,18/Itemid,85.html

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Got ASAP.... priceless...

Doesn't look like a UAL2000 land grab of pay rates... keep an eye on the ball.. soft time... W-2s speak louder than pay rates....

30 mins is not enough time to educate new pilots on ALPA......

 

[flyhomefast]

Am I looking at this correctly????????

No A Fund Improvement
1% increase B Fund
Increase in Med. Benefits by $60p/m
9% pay increase, but not nearly as good as ups (Yes I know UPS has one pay rate per seat)
Duty Rig does not start until 2008???????
No Vac. Improvement
No Sick time Improvement


Please correct me if I'm wrong or misreading something, (I hope I am)

 

[Purpled]

They've got a lot to explain at the road shows...grids, blending, etc. Lots of potential enhancements, if you speak Newtonian calculus. Kind of confusing, but I'm just a simple caveman. Hope their power point skills are up to speed.

I'm curious, interested and hopefull...kind of like that time at bandcamp.

 

[AlbieF15]

No improvement in vacation? YGTBSM! OUR guys didn't even want to let the company open that chapter up for discussion. We may have areas to improve--but I'll bet most would agree vacation AIN'T broke right now at FedEx.

The 3.75 rig is a defacto raise for MD11/long block trips. Would I like to have it now? Yes. Glad its coming down the road? You bet.

Retro/bonus over 2 installments? Not perfect. However...we GOT it. A year ago guys some bus chatter was "they'll never pay that..." Looks like they will.

By contrast--how does this TA compare to what company offered when it tried to bypass union? Fixes to some scheduling bone jobs here and there will be nice.

So--listen to the road show. Make your own call. My take? It ain't perfect...but its pretty much what we asked for. We can fix the other stuff in 2010.

 

[727Capt]

Please correct me if I'm wrong or misreading something, (I hope I am)

FLYHOMEFAST;
Not only are you misreading but how in the _____did you read a 390 page document and have enough time to jump on and post this thread only 1 hour after the TA was out? Speed reader I imagine!

These guys spent over two years working on this thing. Least we can do is spend time to READ and evaluate the document then listen to the folks who really understand the pros and cons during the upcoming briefings...then decide whats right for you. Just don't think we should sell it short and send it down the river so quickly, especially in this forum. Give it your due diligence! FLYHOMEFAST...dont READSOFAST!

 

[LivinDaDream]

Is FlyHomeFast a FedEx pilot? Doesn't look like it. If he doesn't like the vacation section, he doesn't work here and more than likely has never even compared our vacation section with others.

Albie has it right. We focussed on the areas that needed improvement and left the industry leading sections alone (vacation etc.).

Is it perfect?.... no. Is it worth a Yes vote?...Anyone (MEC excluded) that has already decided isn't worth arguing with.

 

[flyhomefast]

O.K, O.K, O.K,
Well, our vacation system is very similar to SWAs current, better than Ups, but not as good as pre 911 united. We should be shooting for improvements, (Fedex is doing pretty well), not status quo. When times are good they should pay. How about another day of vacation? How about being able to go 30 negative on an expand and not just slide?

How did I read the whole doc. Well, I didn't, I looked at our "cornerstones"

3.75, now, later....well, how about retro involving a 3.75 duty rig? Another year to wait??? That doesn't seem right, maybe we should have signed 1.5 years ago (then we'd have it now)

2 installments, who cares about the time frame, but don't you think it should be well more than an average 10percent yearly?

Fix in 2010? This is the time, Fedex is doing well, in 2010 we might have to deal with concessions (never happen,,,,ask a united/dal/aa guy).

Look at the hourly wages compared to swa and ups! Make sure you do swa narrow to our narrow and average our narrow and wide to ups.

Abie, If you we around for the last contract, we said wait till the next one that time also

A yes vote? well ygtbsm!
Hows that?

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

satisfied

Overall I am satisfied....but.....did I read the deadheading section 8 correctly that deviation money used to commute to and from base will be declared as taxable income by the company? Holy frikin smoke Batman....well, I guess the rule about spending your entire bank if you could went out the window.

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

satisfied

Overall I am satisfied, but am I the only one who noticed that deviation expenses while commuting will be declared as "Taxable Income"? Holy frikin smoke batman! Guess those days of "burning up the bank". I knew the Company would try to find a way to limit use of the deviation bank. Depending on your commute, that could really suck.

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

Double post

sorry the board was slow tonight

 

[Sluggo_63]

O.K, O.K, O.K,
Well, our vacation system is very similar to SWAs current

I'm not sure, but I don't think so. I believe at SWA if your vacation falls on blank days, that's it. There's no moving, or expanding at all. Your vacation is now the days that you would have had off anyhow.

I'm sure SWA/FO will correct me if I'm wrong... come on, I know you're lurking in here somewhere.

 

[PastV1]

Hey Jakal,

Just read the same thing. That sucks but if it is taxable does it count towards our B Plan.. ?

Past...
PS Hole in One! Number 8. SFS!

 

[propjob27]

When you're bored of reading the TA...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuV7zLDJqIk&search=airplanes

Look what we can do with a DC-10 w/o a #2 engine.

 

[bratacus]

New to the forum and already loving it. It's kind of like expressing an opinon on the crew bus and then waiting to get blasted by the ever present "expert". Anyway, here goes. I'll wait for the road shows, etc to vote but leaning towards "no". Single issue, I don't thinkl so. How about retro pay calculation, taxing my deadhead bank, and no change in substitution for starters. "You may fire when ready, Gridley."

 

[1st Overnite]

I don't have time to read it today, so could someone give me the details about the Bonus/retro pay. How much, when would it be paid, etc?

When would the contract and new pay rates take effect?

Also, explain the deviation bank being taxable income. I have no idea how that works. I don't see why we would pay taxes on that money unless we get it as pay. I'm probably way off base on this so help me out.

 

[ptarmigan]

Well, our vacation system is very similar to SWAs current, better than Ups, but not as good as pre 911 united.

UALs pre 911? You might want to look at it again, there was nothing very impressive about that system. I would take ours any time over that!

 

[Sluggo_63]

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