Full FedEx TA now available at ALPA website.

[active_herk]

If you want to view it, the whole thing is now on the members only section of the ALPA website under the FDX section. Happy viewing.

 

[Baby Cakes]

For those like me that don't have ALPA keys here is a summary \ http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/showthread.php?t=5795

 

[FedExFlyer]

Or the whole kit and caboodle........

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/option,com_docman/task,cat_view/gid,18/Itemid,85.html

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Got ASAP.... priceless...

Doesn't look like a UAL2000 land grab of pay rates... keep an eye on the ball.. soft time... W-2s speak louder than pay rates....

30 mins is not enough time to educate new pilots on ALPA......

 

[flyhomefast]

Am I looking at this correctly????????

No A Fund Improvement
1% increase B Fund
Increase in Med. Benefits by $60p/m
9% pay increase, but not nearly as good as ups (Yes I know UPS has one pay rate per seat)
Duty Rig does not start until 2008???????
No Vac. Improvement
No Sick time Improvement


Please correct me if I'm wrong or misreading something, (I hope I am)

 

[Purpled]

They've got a lot to explain at the road shows...grids, blending, etc. Lots of potential enhancements, if you speak Newtonian calculus. Kind of confusing, but I'm just a simple caveman. Hope their power point skills are up to speed.

I'm curious, interested and hopefull...kind of like that time at bandcamp.

 

[AlbieF15]

No improvement in vacation? YGTBSM! OUR guys didn't even want to let the company open that chapter up for discussion. We may have areas to improve--but I'll bet most would agree vacation AIN'T broke right now at FedEx.

The 3.75 rig is a defacto raise for MD11/long block trips. Would I like to have it now? Yes. Glad its coming down the road? You bet.

Retro/bonus over 2 installments? Not perfect. However...we GOT it. A year ago guys some bus chatter was "they'll never pay that..." Looks like they will.

By contrast--how does this TA compare to what company offered when it tried to bypass union? Fixes to some scheduling bone jobs here and there will be nice.

So--listen to the road show. Make your own call. My take? It ain't perfect...but its pretty much what we asked for. We can fix the other stuff in 2010.

 

[727Capt]

Please correct me if I'm wrong or misreading something, (I hope I am)

FLYHOMEFAST;
Not only are you misreading but how in the _____did you read a 390 page document and have enough time to jump on and post this thread only 1 hour after the TA was out? Speed reader I imagine!

These guys spent over two years working on this thing. Least we can do is spend time to READ and evaluate the document then listen to the folks who really understand the pros and cons during the upcoming briefings...then decide whats right for you. Just don't think we should sell it short and send it down the river so quickly, especially in this forum. Give it your due diligence! FLYHOMEFAST...dont READSOFAST!

 

[LivinDaDream]

Is FlyHomeFast a FedEx pilot? Doesn't look like it. If he doesn't like the vacation section, he doesn't work here and more than likely has never even compared our vacation section with others.

Albie has it right. We focussed on the areas that needed improvement and left the industry leading sections alone (vacation etc.).

Is it perfect?.... no. Is it worth a Yes vote?...Anyone (MEC excluded) that has already decided isn't worth arguing with.

 

[flyhomefast]

O.K, O.K, O.K,
Well, our vacation system is very similar to SWAs current, better than Ups, but not as good as pre 911 united. We should be shooting for improvements, (Fedex is doing pretty well), not status quo. When times are good they should pay. How about another day of vacation? How about being able to go 30 negative on an expand and not just slide?

How did I read the whole doc. Well, I didn't, I looked at our "cornerstones"

3.75, now, later....well, how about retro involving a 3.75 duty rig? Another year to wait??? That doesn't seem right, maybe we should have signed 1.5 years ago (then we'd have it now)

2 installments, who cares about the time frame, but don't you think it should be well more than an average 10percent yearly?

Fix in 2010? This is the time, Fedex is doing well, in 2010 we might have to deal with concessions (never happen,,,,ask a united/dal/aa guy).

Look at the hourly wages compared to swa and ups! Make sure you do swa narrow to our narrow and average our narrow and wide to ups.

Abie, If you we around for the last contract, we said wait till the next one that time also

A yes vote? well ygtbsm!
Hows that?

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

satisfied

Overall I am satisfied....but.....did I read the deadheading section 8 correctly that deviation money used to commute to and from base will be declared as taxable income by the company? Holy frikin smoke Batman....well, I guess the rule about spending your entire bank if you could went out the window.

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

satisfied

Overall I am satisfied, but am I the only one who noticed that deviation expenses while commuting will be declared as "Taxable Income"? Holy frikin smoke batman! Guess those days of "burning up the bank". I knew the Company would try to find a way to limit use of the deviation bank. Depending on your commute, that could really suck.

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

Double post

sorry the board was slow tonight

 

[Sluggo_63]

O.K, O.K, O.K,
Well, our vacation system is very similar to SWAs current

I'm not sure, but I don't think so. I believe at SWA if your vacation falls on blank days, that's it. There's no moving, or expanding at all. Your vacation is now the days that you would have had off anyhow.

I'm sure SWA/FO will correct me if I'm wrong... come on, I know you're lurking in here somewhere.

 

[PastV1]

Hey Jakal,

Just read the same thing. That sucks but if it is taxable does it count towards our B Plan.. ?

Past...
PS Hole in One! Number 8. SFS!

 

[propjob27]

When you're bored of reading the TA...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuV7zLDJqIk&search=airplanes

Look what we can do with a DC-10 w/o a #2 engine.

 

[bratacus]

New to the forum and already loving it. It's kind of like expressing an opinon on the crew bus and then waiting to get blasted by the ever present "expert". Anyway, here goes. I'll wait for the road shows, etc to vote but leaning towards "no". Single issue, I don't thinkl so. How about retro pay calculation, taxing my deadhead bank, and no change in substitution for starters. "You may fire when ready, Gridley."

 

[1st Overnite]

I don't have time to read it today, so could someone give me the details about the Bonus/retro pay. How much, when would it be paid, etc?

When would the contract and new pay rates take effect?

Also, explain the deviation bank being taxable income. I have no idea how that works. I don't see why we would pay taxes on that money unless we get it as pay. I'm probably way off base on this so help me out.

 

[ptarmigan]

Well, our vacation system is very similar to SWAs current, better than Ups, but not as good as pre 911 united.

UALs pre 911? You might want to look at it again, there was nothing very impressive about that system. I would take ours any time over that!

 

[Sluggo_63]

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[Sluggo_63]

New to the forum and already loving it. It's kind of like expressing an opinon on the crew bus and then waiting to get blasted by the ever present "expert". Anyway, here goes. I'll wait for the road shows, etc to vote but leaning towards "no". Single issue, I don't thinkl so. How about retro pay calculation, taxing my deadhead bank, and no change in substitution for starters. "You may fire when ready, Gridley."

Not blasting, but the way I read it, it's only taxable if you're deviating to/from your base (i.e. Memphis). Not your deadhead bank.
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A pilot shall designate on his online expense report any claim for deviation travel expenses incurred while commuting to or from his base. The amount of such claim that is allowed/reimbursed shall be included in the pilot's income as taxable compensation and all applicable taxes will be withheld.

So, looking at it as a commuter, I'm usually never deviating to/from Memphis (my base). Only to/from my home.

That's my $.02. Does that make me the crew-bus expert? I hope not...

 

[Purpledog]

There are some goods. However, a 1% increase in B fund? YGTBSM! The 55 y.o. plus pilots made out like bandits, shocker. Since I don't ever plan on long haul international, retirement is a long way off, and I never fly more than I have to, I don't really see many improvements. I am curious about all those grids and blended duties etc... Possibly a good solution to circadium rythym ruining.

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

Sluggo, that's the way I read it too. Guys using their deadhead banks to get to reserve duty or recurrent will get boned a little.

For those voting "no"....let me ask you who is going to negotiate the contract you want instead of this one. Since the MEC and Negotiating committee completly endorsed this, then voting no is a no confidence vote...which means that the Negotiating Commmittee does not speak for you. Then it is back to square one. You going to go negotiate your own? Honestly...this is pretty much it. Take it or leave it. Unless you are willing to go on from here without an amendable contract, you better not vote no.

Being pissed because your retro pay isn't as "high as it should be" is immature and short sighted. Better than going without an ammended contract, or are you going to do singlehandedly what the negotiating committee couldn't do in 2.5 years... you're all piss and vinegar. Besides, show me a guy who bitches about the retro pay calculation, and I'll show you a guy who was whoring at the trough on drf and vlt so as to boost his hours he figured would be used to calculate his retro pay.

 

[WorldOnTime]

There are some goods. However, a 1% increase in B fund? YGTBSM! The 55 y.o. plus pilots made out like bandits, shocker. Since I don't ever plan on long haul international, retirement is a long way off, and I never fly more than I have to, I don't really see many improvements. I am curious about all those grids and blended duties etc... Possibly a good solution to circadium rythym ruining.

So you are NEVER going to retire? I bet it sneaks up on you faster than you expect.

 

[WorldOnTime]

Not blasting, but the way I read it, it's only taxable if you're deviating to/from your base (i.e. Memphis). Not your deadhead bank.
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A pilot shall designate on his online expense report any claim for deviation travel expenses incurred while commuting to or from his base. The amount of such claim that is allowed/reimbursed shall be included in the pilot's income as taxable compensation and all applicable taxes will be withheld.

So, looking at it as a commuter, I'm usually never deviating to/from Memphis (my base). Only to/from my home.

That's my $.02. Does that make me the crew-bus expert? I hope not...

Sluggo, I prefer to think of you more as the "Crew Room Prophet". Or "The Creepy Guy In The Crashpad That Sneaks Into My Room".

 

[SNIZ]

Summary

Guys,

A couple of the council updates on the FDX ALPA Web Page have a few bulleted summaries of some of the key points. Something to look at until the hard copy gets delivered.

 

[bratacus]

A little bait and wham. You don't cast aspersions to others who who have opinions different than yours and I will not ask what number wife you are on or whatever it is that makes you so pissed off, deal? Tell me, if we do indeed vote this down, what next? Do we look at fixing major sticking points or as you say we go back to square one. Why is there a vote called for if it's all or nothing. What is so bad about taking a little longer? We've been negotiating for 2 1/2 years already. I don't think it's shortsighted to want an eqitable retro pay, either. I sure remember a lot of retro stickers on a lot of folks bags. What equation was used? Why is the wide body Capt offer to 30 k vice 17 k for a widebody FO. Capt's pay scales aren't twice as high as FO's so this doesn't make sense to me. Just a line guy wodering.

 

[Flapjack]

Why are captains getting 30K / FOs only 17.7K?

60% of 30K = 18K

FO's make approx. 60% of captain pay, FO signing bonus is about 60% of CA bonus

 

[Purpled]

Why are captains getting 30K / FOs only 17.7K?

60% of 30K = 18K

FO's make approx. 60% of captain pay, FO signing bonus is about 60% of CA bonus

That $17700 equates to a retro hourly rate of 111.5. Not exactly what an WB FO makes. Is that enough to make someone vote no? Hopefully not alone, but don't be dazzled by the numbers, go to a road show and have the whole thing explained and then we can decide.

Peace!

 

[Haywood]

Anyone else notice that the 73 and 75 are worked in as narrow body pay rates...or am I just misinformed?