Freedom/Mesa/Chicken Taco WHORES....In ATL?

[brew3departure]

My two favorite comments in this thread so far, which, by the way, has cost me an IQ point or two...

First: (by cmrflyer, I think) -- "Yeah we took it all - all the back water airports in FL that those crazy Delta pilots were flying MCO to MLB..." Pardon me for paraphrasing a little bit.

So, you're bragging about Comair flying/taking these routes from Delta, and you're mad that CHQ replaced you? Where's the irony in that? Aren't you OWNED by Delta? Don't worry - it'll be all Freedom in MCO soon enough. New/old group to direct your hatred.

And my other favorite, about...eight pages ago from some Xjet guy:

"We're really mad at CHQ for _ALMOST_ taking our flying...slimeballs of the industry."

I'll be sure to give you a call before we ALMOST do anything else, 'k? And I'm going to ask for a permission slip.

If you'd care to look into this matter a little further instead of just spouting off (which nobody does any more), you'd know that there exists a majority of people at CHQ who don't want the CO flying if it had to come at the expense of people at your company. Myself included. So, get over yourself!

-brew3

 

[Jack Mahogoff]

Actually, I am an immigrant. I still know a whore when I see one.

Dave C. is that you?! Have another beer already.

 

[belchfire]

You know what the difference between a salvage yard and Atlanta is?

Cars and planes get processed through a salvage yard faster!

hehehe...yeah bro, I read you! Commuting home through ATL is an emergency proceedure!

 

[Fly2Scuba]

My two favorite comments in this thread so far, which, by the way, has cost me an IQ point or two...

First: (by cmrflyer, I think) -- "Yeah we took it all - all the back water airports in FL that those crazy Delta pilots were flying MCO to MLB..." Pardon me for paraphrasing a little bit.

So, you're bragging about Comair flying/taking these routes from Delta, and you're mad that CHQ replaced you? Where's the irony in that? Aren't you OWNED by Delta? Don't worry - it'll be all Freedom in MCO soon enough. New/old group to direct your hatred.

And my other favorite, about...eight pages ago from some Xjet guy:

"We're really mad at CHQ for _ALMOST_ taking our flying...slimeballs of the industry."

I'll be sure to give you a call before we ALMOST do anything else, 'k? And I'm going to ask for a permission slip.

If you'd care to look into this matter a little further instead of just spouting off (which nobody does any more), you'd know that there exists a majority of people at CHQ who don't want the CO flying if it had to come at the expense of people at your company. Myself included. So, get over yourself!

-brew3

Alright, my specific beef with Chataqua was that three years ago or so my Captain was talking to a Chataqua pilot on a hotel bus and he non-chalantly said they were the whores of the industry like it didn't really bother him. I just hope that those that are concerned about this like yourself Brew3 educate those that aren't. I know I don't want to take anyone elses flying even it means a better schedule or easier commute.

Mesa is still far worse because their contract is so out of whack in comparison. Just had a conversation with my FO who was a furloughed ACA guy regarding Mesa. Said he had a friend over there where everyone knows it's a crappy place to work, but they are all just looking for growth and oppurtunity to move on. Gall darn, WTF?? You that feel that way are fricken idiots and creating bad karma for yourselves. That quick upgrade theory is fine at a true regional like Great Lakes Aviation, but not at an airline with mainline size routes and/or aircraft. Don't be surprised if you jump ship to another airline and are furloughed when Mesa takes orders for 100 more CRJ-90s or larger at with pilots flying at $60 an hour, 9 days off on reserve a month, and no CANCELLATION PAY (huge)!. Oh, but hey they'll gladly hire you back on the bottom of the seniority list as long as you gave a proper 2 week notice when you left. And that is why your airline gets bashed continuously. I realize that they are some that are concerned over there; just needs to be a much greater percentage.

 

[The Drizzle]

don't forget that they don't get block or better

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You mean what dalpa has left of comair.
Now we really are sh1tting our pants.
Maybe your friends at chq and mesa may want to listen to your stories, but we have had enough of them.

Aren't you the same group of morons voting for concessions for growth? You really have no basis to call ANYONE a whore in this business!

 

[Jetscream32]

Alright, my specific beef with Chataqua was that three years ago or so my Captain was talking to a Chataqua pilot on a hotel bus and he non-chalantly said they were the whores of the industry like it didn't really bother him. I just hope that those that are concerned about this like yourself Brew3 educate those that aren't. I know I don't want to take anyone elses flying even it means a better schedule or easier commute.

Mesa is still far worse because their contract is so out of whack in comparison. Just had a conversation with my FO who was a furloughed ACA guy regarding Mesa. Said he had a friend over there where everyone knows it's a crappy place to work, but they are all just looking for growth and oppurtunity to move on. Gall darn, WTF?? You that feel that way are fricken idiots and creating bad karma for yourselves. That quick upgrade theory is fine at a true regional like Great Lakes Aviation, but not at an airline with mainline size routes and/or aircraft. Don't be surprised if you jump ship to another airline and are furloughed when Mesa takes orders for 100 more CRJ-90s or larger at with pilots flying at $60 an hour, 9 days off on reserve a month, and no CANCELLATION PAY (huge)!. Oh, but hey they'll gladly hire you back on the bottom of the seniority list as long as you gave a proper 2 week notice when you left. And that is why your airline gets bashed continuously. I realize that they are some that are concerned over there; just needs to be a much greater percentage.

Actually there are no rates for aircraft larger than 86 seats. It would have to be negotiated. There is cancellation pay at Mesa it's just tied to a controllable completion factor, which we make every bid. Don't let facts get in the way of your hate. I do find it funny that you base your opinion of CHQ guys solely on the fact of what one pilot said 3 YEARS AGO.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Actually there are no rates for aircraft larger than 86 seats. It would have to be negotiated. There is cancellation pay at Mesa it's just tied to a controllable completion factor, which we make every bid. Don't let facts get in the way of your hate. I do find it funny that you base your opinion of CHQ guys solely on the fact of what one pilot said 3 YEARS AGO.

Okay, again you didn't address the real issue; just trying to sugercoat it. So, what happens if scheduling removes a trip from your schedule for a 30 in 7 issue. Do you still get paid for those dropped legs? The specific pay rate of $65 mentioned were an educated guesess based on the current downward trend and was a future possible scenario; horribly likely at that. Also I guess I was wrong about the 9 days off a month, it's 8 days off in a 28 day period averaging a whopping 8.7 days off a month so I overestimated to your benefit Einstein. And finally, yes I really do believe there are alot CHQ guys that have the same attitude as 3 years based on some of the online profiles, home pages, and myspace ads posted here.

 

[Fltlvls]

It's 8 days off for RESERVE ONLY! NOT LINE HOLDERS
as far as the contract, it is only the second one in the existance of Mesa, if you are going to spout off about it then make sure you have a Mesa contract in front of you so the info you are posting is ACCURATE, even though i do not work there anymore i still have a copy of the contract so the info i post here is ACCURATE.

 

[Jetscream32]

Okay, again you didn't address the real issue; just trying to sugercoat it....... And finally, yes I really do believe there are alot CHQ guys that have the same attitude as 3 years based on some of the online profiles, home pages, and myspace ads posted here.

No sugarcoating, just making sure you don't sh!t coat it. So you base all of your info about a pilot group on what you read on internet chat boards and myspace?! If I thought along the same lines then I guess all of the pilots at your airline are holier-than-thou doosh bags that like to let their emotions get in the way of a legitimate argument, much like some women.

 

[Dix-Bag]

Okay, again you didn't address the real issue; just trying to sugercoat it. So, what happens if scheduling removes a trip from your schedule for a 30 in 7 issue. Do you still get paid for those dropped legs? The specific pay rate of $65 mentioned were an educated guesess based on the current downward trend and was a future possible scenario; horribly likely at that. Also I guess I was wrong about the 9 days off a month, it's 8 days off in a 28 day period averaging a whopping 8.7 days off a month so I overestimated to your benefit Einstein. And finally, yes I really do believe there are alot CHQ guys that have the same attitude as 3 years based on some of the online profiles, home pages, and myspace ads posted here.

Why are you so worried about workrules at another airline? Who cares... Someone's always gonna have a better or worse contract. I guess it just makes you feel bigger in the pants to bash someone working for a "inferior" (which is questionable, by the way) airline.

It's very easy to identify guys like you Scuba... It's in the subtle clues like the "El Capitan" in your profile and constant need to publicly disclose the alleged supiriority of YOUR employer. You lack self confidence and need to continually justify yourself.

-YOU are the guy that finds a way to tell women within the first 5 minutes of meeting them that you are a Continental pilot.
-YOU are the kind of guy that will eventually have a Myspace account of your own.

The empty can rattles the most.

-Bag

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Why are you so worried about workrules at another airline? Who cares... Someone's always gonna have a better or worse contract. I guess it just makes you feel bigger in the pants to bash someone working for a "inferior" (which is questionable, by the way) airline.

It's very easy to identify guys like you Scuba... It's in the subtle clues like the "El Capitan" in your profile and constant need to publicly disclose the alleged supiriority of YOUR employer. You lack self confidence and need to continually justify yourself.

-YOU are the guy that finds a way to tell women within the first 5 minutes of meeting them that you are a Continental pilot.
-YOU are the kind of guy that will eventually have a Myspace account of your own.

The empty can rattles the most.

-Bag

Dumb is the best way to describe yours and the two previous posts. We're not talking about slight differences in contracts; there is a huge gap in quality of life and again you fail to address the real issue of pilots looking just to sacrifice all respect just for the chance to move on as soon as possible. Let me ask you this, if an airline started up and had 5 days off on reserve a month, $5 less per hour pay, minimum guarantee 65 hours, etc., would you be thrilled with that pilot group if they underbid your flying if and had a carefree attitude about the whole deal?

And by the way, in regards to my employer, I feel fortunate to fly at ExpressJet. Luck has played some role along with good management, great union personel, and a committed to the profession excellent pilot group. Because of that, I don't find much to complain about for now. It's worked out well especially recently, but I along with most everyone else was set back a couple years from the flow back agreement with Continental. Never did I complain about that, and felt the flow through/flow back agreement was excellent as it helped to preserve mainline jobs and form a sense of togetherness. Also voted yes on the strike vote and was ready to walk a couple years ago, not just play airline pilot and make this purely a "stepping stone" for the chance of rapid growth. And if things turn crappy over here due to management or whatever, I'll be in line with rest of the pilot complaining and taking some form of action.

Every once in awhile a Mesa pilot will come on here and actually admit that things suck over there and it's time to commit to changing the culture, contract, and gain the respect that a professional pilot flying a large number of passengers in a larger aircraft to a far off destination deserves. I can respect that kind of thought process and action but those revelations and attitudes seem far inbetween. I just don't understand why anyone would come back with...

a) well actually it's not too bad over here with 8 days off for "reserves only"
b) it's just a "stepping stone" to fly for this "regional"
c) ignore that whole Atlantic Coast or Air Wisconsin losing there contract with United or the thousands still on furlough at major airlines and don't worry about the Mesa or any other pilots' contract
d) you're just being emotional. That's a whole bunch of tree hugging hippy crap

I'm not bashing to improve my ego. I'm bashing because I enjoy doing other activities besides my job like SCUBA for instance and that requires money and time off. If something threatens those working conditions, then that concerns me. If you choose to fly for Mesa or another bottom feeder, then fine. Just don't pretend like there isn't a problem with your employer and not take any action because the whole profession suffers.

 

[BlueCanoe]

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