Freedom/Mesa/Chicken Taco WHORES....In ATL?

[pilot772]

No, I'm quite sure you weren't there to see the eye to eye non-verbal voice of displeasure. Judging by your alternative lifestyle type Avatar and aircraft ratings, I'm not surprised by your attitude or reply.

aircraft ratings. your flying the same family of aircraft so what does that say about you.

 

[Corbon]

Alternative lifestyle? Thats Gob from the TV show "Arrested Development". And hes not gay. The shows humor probably goes right over your head, so I'm not surprised that you're unfamiliar with the characters.
As far as my attitude, your probably right. I just don't care. Not about what you or anybody think. I just thought it was humorous to hear someone come on here and huff and puff about how you "have given dirty looks to a couple of Mesa guys". Just reinforces at what a big talker you are in an anonymous forum but out in the real world your pecker shrivels up and the biggest baddest thing you can muster up is a "dirty look." You,the pinnacle of everything that is a pilot, had a perfect chance to lecture them on what evil subhuman bottemfeeders they are and how they're single handedly ruining aviation. But what do you do? Nothing. That speaks wonders about you. I'm guessing you have some confidence issues. That's ok, keep telling the barflys that you're a Continential pilot. One of them will probably have pity sex with you eventually.

 

[DashCojones]

Don't be sure of yourself. I have given dirty looks to a couple Mesa guys that were acting like fraternity brothers on a hotel bus with other non-airline employees on board. The impression all to often I get is that you have to many people over there that treat this profession like it's a game and not a serious career. You cut corners in career progression, you're probably more likely to cut corners in other areas like stabilized approaches, maintenance, etc.
All I ask is that you quit defending Mesa and accept that you will be a subject of scorn until attitudes and actions and most specifically your undercutting contract changes. 8 days off on reserve and sleeping in airplanes at night to save on hotel costs is terrible and affects the whole industry including majors. It's the downward spiral; don't contribute.

Not defending Mesa as much as criticizing cowards who are afraid to tell people, face-to-face, what they really think. You're a shining case-in-point. In that van, you obviously thought that the Mesa crew treated their career as a game. You therefore owed it to the flying public to let them know it! BUT... you didn't. You are, therefore, another link in the chain leading to their inevitable mishap(s). AND...nothing but a coward.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I saw them in the crew lounge once. Everybody gave them the evil eye and they eventually left. Haven't seen them back since.

Did they have SIDA badges? If not, they are not supposed to be outside the "footprint of their airplane" or in the terminal. Report them, write them up. We don't make the rules but we are responsible for keeping people without SIDA badges from running amok in the ATL airport.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Boy you little b!tches talk alot of sh!t on this board, get your little chicken sh!t a$$es out of your planes and come in the crew room for the welcome to ATL that you whores deserve.

See above, if they are outside the footprint of their airplane, escort them back to a secure area and write it up. Anyone know if the airport still does the cash bonus for catching interlopers in the secure areas? If so, I'm hunting for $20 bills.

 

[Road Rash]

Like everyone on here has been saying...Not one crew has had the guts to show their face around anyone in ATL. I know exactely what I am going to say to the first MAG crew I see in ATL. Hope they take it like a man.

This is leaving me wanting more, please dont make me wait till I'm in ATL, so ... What are you going to say?

I promise to take it like a man if thats what you prefer.

 

[Fltlvls]

F the Mesa Group. The true slimeballs of the industry along with S**taco.

YOU ARE A DIK!

 

[Espalda Mojado]

Mmmmmm, Chicken Tacos!

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Not defending Mesa as much as criticizing cowards who are afraid to tell people, face-to-face, what they really think. You're a shining case-in-point. In that van, you obviously thought that the Mesa crew treated their career as a game. You therefore owed it to the flying public to let them know it! BUT... you didn't. You are, therefore, another link in the chain leading to their inevitable mishap(s). AND...nothing but a coward.

Uh-huh, creating a confrontation in public is a great way to further the profession (aka professional). I don't think so. I've witnessed pilots exchanging words in a public site (curbside at the airport) and it's one of the dumbest, amusing, and unprofessional things I've ever witnessed. Plus, I wouldn't risk a career on creating a public disturbance because some unstable individual couldn't handle the truth.
I have respect for those at there that will put their energy towards creating a positive image of pilots and to creating a better career environment through contract gains. What I don't respect is people that pretend like Mesa isn't a plague on the industry or that it's just a "regional". Regional flying means going from New York to Albany, not New York to Kansas City.

With all that said, yea minus this post, my previous are written at pre-professional level. However,
a) this is the internet and accept it for being a communication medium to voice displeasure without much regard to language or ambience. This is one of the few posts that ignores this aspect
b) part of all this effort is in some way create an environment where guys have second thoughts for reason about going to a "regional" that treats people like crap. A lower supply of pilots willing to work at an airline can help create a situation in which that airline will need to reconsider it's work environment if it wants to attract professionals. Better contract!
c) I really hate the fact that friends of mine were forced to switch airlines/bases because they were underbid by Mesa and I hate the fact that we almost lost flying because of of Chataqua.

 

[FlamingFUPA]

EDIT:cooler heads prevail


but it is spelled CHAUTAUQUA

 

[Fltlvls]

Uh-huh, creating a confrontation in public is a great way to further the profession (aka professional). I don't think so. I've witnessed pilots exchanging words in a public site (curbside at the airport) and it's one of the dumbest, amusing, and unprofessional things I've ever witnessed. Plus, I wouldn't risk a career on creating a public disturbance because some unstable individual couldn't handle the truth.
I have respect for those at there that will put their energy towards creating a positive image of pilots and to creating a better career environment through contract gains. What I don't respect is people that pretend like Mesa isn't a plague on the industry or that it's just a "regional". Regional flying means going from New York to Albany, not New York to Kansas City.

With all that said, yea minus this post, my previous are written at pre-professional level. However,
a) this is the internet and accept it for being a communication medium to voice displeasure without much regard to language or ambience. This is one of the few posts that ignores this aspect
b) part of all this effort is in some way create an environment where guys have second thoughts for reason about going to a "regional" that treats people like crap. A lower supply of pilots willing to work at an airline can help create a situation in which that airline will need to reconsider it's work environment if it wants to attract professionals. Better contract!
c) I really hate the fact that friends of mine were forced to switch airlines/bases because they were underbid by Mesa and I hate the fact that we almost lost flying because of of Chataqua.

You don't get it do you!
Regionals do not decide what routes they fly(lets see-EWR-OKC, sound familiar) they are meant to be a stepping stone, not a retirement job
you obviously work for a regional(aka, Express Jet) and you should know that these things you are saying are repetitive and very boring, business is business that is just the way things work, whether it is this industry or another, suck it up or get out to free up a spot for someone who really wants to be here and not complain about it.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Best thread evar!!!!!111

 

[fried chickens]

You're in the wrong place, you want the door further down. We're not interested in logic or facts or reason here - we just want to be childish and throw names around. If you're going to go around spouting facts you're just going to spoil it for the rest of us.

My bad. Let's continue with the bashing. Why don't we just bash everyone that flys the United Express banner...mesa, bojets, chq, tsa, skywest and don't forget little colgan.

Screw it! Let's just bash everyone with silver stripes but dang, guess we have to include ASA in that one. Ok, how about gold stripers. Wait, we can't do that cuz Xjet and CMR have those. Oh well, guess we'll go with the blue stripers, only one of those.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

You don't get it do you!
Regionals do not decide what routes they fly(lets see-EWR-OKC, sound familiar) they are meant to be a stepping stone, not a retirement job
you obviously work for a regional(aka, Express Jet) and you should know that these things you are saying are repetitive and very boring, business is business that is just the way things work, whether it is this industry or another, suck it up or get out to free up a spot for someone who really wants to be here and not complain about it.

No, you sir are the one that doesn't get it. "Regionals" are flying longer and longer routes with larger and larger aircraft. The attitude that it's just a stepping stone to fly for a "regional" is misguided when one is flying major airline type flying already. I'm also looking to move on; yet I realize that major airline flying, quality of life, and opportunities are on shaky ground partly due to the so called "regionals". At least put the effort into creating descent pay and work rules so the gap between major contract and "regional" contract isn't so wide. Or else the degradation of the industry will continue as the
a) majors outsource jobs to a low "regional" bidder. Last time I checked the vast majority of furloughed pilots were from major airlines while the "regionals" continued their expansion.
b) majors contine to ask the pilot groups for concessions to match the much lower bar set by short sighted pilots because many of the routes could easily be replaced by CRJ-900, etc. The very reason for going to major in the first place takes a big hit.

Understand.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Mmmmmm, Chicken Tacos!

That's what I've been thinking!

 

[Taco Rocket]

Just a matter of time before ATL is a base.

I can't wait!

Where is that crew room again?

 

[CRJ Skillz]

Fly2Scuba is soooooooooooooooooooo immature

 

[Fltlvls]

No, you sir are the one that doesn't get it. "Regionals" are flying longer and longer routes with larger and larger aircraft. The attitude that it's just a stepping stone to fly for a "regional" is misguided when one is flying major airline type flying already. I'm also looking to move on; yet I realize that major airline flying, quality of life, and opportunities are on shaky ground partly due to the so called "regionals". At least put the effort into creating descent pay and work rules so the gap between major contract and "regional" contract isn't so wide. Or else the degradation of the industry will continue as the
a) majors outsource jobs to a low "regional" bidder. Last time I checked the vast majority of furloughed pilots were from major airlines while the "regionals" continued their expansion.
b) majors contine to ask the pilot groups for concessions to match the much lower bar set by short sighted pilots because many of the routes could easily be replaced by CRJ-900, etc. The very reason for going to major in the first place takes a big hit.

Understand.

Look at it this way, if you dress up a pig, in the end you still have a pig, same as the regionals if they fly the same or similar routes as the majors they are still considered" Regionals" in the end

as far as outsourcing-if your company was bleeding money wouldn't you look for ways to cut costs such as looking for someone to do the same job for less

If you get a chance read the book NUTS! the story is about SWA, if all major airlines actually did the things that SWA does and actually stuck to them , then they would be in much better shape

if you think regional guys should get paid the same as some guy at the majors just because they fly the same or similar routes , then you are dreaming.

Understand

 

[1x1]

Just a matter of time before ATL is a base.

I can't wait!

Where is that crew room again?

Until it is, stay in your airplanes footprint or we'll have to bust 'yo az :uzi: with Hartsfield Harry. Sweet, $50 for me.

 

[Slice121]

Until it is, stay in your airplanes footprint or we'll have to bust 'yo az :uzi: with Hartsfield Harry. Sweet, $50 for me.

Oooooooooooohhh! :laugh:

 

[Skaff]

What the F$#% are you all doing in our YARD? NONE of you are Fu%$# are welcome here. I am sick of hearing your BITTTTCCCCCCCChy Mesa Acadamy asses on the radio.. If you dont know what a "spot" is, go to your FREAKING alternate... ONCE AGAIN NONE OF YOU WHORES IS WELCOME HERE!!!!!!

Didn't you guys "invade" SLC. Nothing is sacred anymore,.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Look at it this way, if you dress up a pig, in the end you still have a pig, same as the regionals if they fly the same or similar routes as the majors they are still considered" Regionals" in the end

as far as outsourcing-if your company was bleeding money wouldn't you look for ways to cut costs such as looking for someone to do the same job for less

If you get a chance read the book NUTS! the story is about SWA, if all major airlines actually did the things that SWA does and actually stuck to them , then they would be in much better shape

if you think regional guys should get paid the same as some guy at the majors just because they fly the same or similar routes , then you are dreaming.

Understand

Again, you spout off junk just to justify your lower end contract. Why not take proactive steps to improve the industry. A CRJ-900 is the same size as the early versions of the DC-9. I still wouldn't expect the pay rates and rules to be exact. However, the gap between a Mesa contract and a major airline contract is way to extreme if that should continue in the future, don't bet on job security at the major level. If a so called "regional" buys an aircraft in the future from Embraer that has 200 seats and goes coast to coast, are you still going to call it a "regional" airline. Get a clue and quit calling them "regionals". Subcontractor airlines would be a much more approriate and to the point description. Example: I fly for a subcontracter airline of Continental and we're going today from Newark to Oklahoma City. Understand.

 

[Fltlvls]

Again, you spout off junk just to justify your lower end contract. Why not take proactive steps to improve the industry. A CRJ-900 is the same size as the early versions of the DC-9. I still wouldn't expect the pay rates and rules to be exact. However, the gap between a Mesa contract and a major airline contract is way to extreme if that should continue in the future, don't bet on job security at the major level. If a so called "regional" buys an aircraft in the future from Embraer that has 200 seats and goes coast to coast, are you still going to call it a "regional" airline. Get a clue and quit calling them "regionals". Subcontractor airlines would be a much more approriate and to the point description. Example: I fly for a subcontracter airline of Continental and we're going today from Newark to Oklahoma City. Understand.

Get a clue by looking at what A/C i am flying now,i use to be at Mesa a (REGIONAL AIRLINE), so i guess that" lower end contract" paid off for me HUH! and just for your info, the company i work for now, the F/O pay is the same whether you are in the B747 or A-330 and also you can thank the majors for this battle going on between "regionals" or commuters, they could have been flying the RJs when they first came out but they were too proud because they didn't want to fly a little jet,if that had happened the regionals would be still be flying props, also FYI don't beleive everything you hear from the CEO of Mesa as being true until you see it and as for pay for the larger "RJs" beyond the 900, there is no pay scale it would have to be negotiated and i gurantee it will not be a low one.

 

[bustinmins]

Didn't you guys "invade" SLC. Nothing is sacred anymore,.

"Invade" - nice choice of words.

 

[COOPERVANE]

The regionals are supposed to be a stepping stone, but they are starting to be career jobs. If you are a regional pilot over 30 right now, odds are you will NEVER be at a major.

I keep hearing from scumbag pilots "Don't hate the playa' hate the game" and "this is capitalism. The old days are over, we have to be more competitive"

Well GUESS WHAT SPARKY! the "get mine, and then I'm outta here!" days are whats OVER! You have nowhere to go now because you are taking over all of mainline's routes. YOU are what is driving down wages

Stepping over your grandmother to get a job flying a shiny jet and then justifying it as an means to an end. I'll bet 90% quit within 10 years. Then the next group of SJS recruits will take your jobs to "get their time and get outta here"

You'd better start focusing on getting good pay and QOL from your regional job. It will PROBABLY be the only flying job you ever have

 

[~~~^~~~]

Coopervane - you are right. Now if we could only convince ALPA that we should be empowered with scope to restore our profession.

 

[cmrflyer]

Go to CVG these days and you'll see 12 comair RJs (including 70 seaters) parked on our old ramp. Look over at concourse A and you'll see 12 CHQ wh0re jets park there.
Every time they try to jumpseat they must think it strange that the Comair RJs have such problems with their 02 masks, that there is never enough 02 for three.
Weird!

 

[cmrflyer]

Get a clue by looking at what A/C i am flying now,i use to be at Mesa a (REGIONAL AIRLINE), so i guess that" lower end contract" paid off for me HUH! and just for your info, the company i work for now, the F/O pay is the same whether you are in the B747 or A-330 and also you can thank the majors for this battle going on between "regionals" or commuters, they could have been flying the RJs when they first came out but they were too proud

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You might be flying a 400 (I say "might"), but judging by your record, the chances are you are doing it for free, just so you can still play pilot.
You (and your kind) have raped the industry, once a rapist, always a rapist. Stuff it wh0re!

 

[Slice121]

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You might be flying a 400 (I say "might"), but judging by your record, the chances are you are doing it for free, just so you can still play pilot.
You (and your kind) have raped the industry, once a rapist, always a rapist. Stuff it wh0re!

Don't you work for the same company that was PFT (10K to go through required sim training AFTER being hired!)thoughout the 90's and had/has an "academy" that promises interviews? There are many of the so called "better" regionals (an oxymoron)that have lowered the bar by doing the above in the past. Some of you need to learn or remember your airline's history. Hipocracy at its' finest! :smash:

 

[Fltlvls]

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You might be flying a 400 (I say "might"), but judging by your record, the chances are you are doing it for free, just so you can still play pilot.
You (and your kind) have raped the industry, once a rapist, always a rapist. Stuff it wh0re!

that is a typical response from from a Comair dikhead , i suppose you paid for training to get into Comair, so how low is that, as far as who i work for all i want to tell you is that they are not a U.S carrier, but i am based in the states(not Virgin America) i will leave it up to you to figure out who it is since you seem to be so smart. STFU live with what is going on this industry or get OUT !!! dikheads like you are not needed here, i hope Comair goes down in a ball of flames along with their big brother, good luck in the dead end company you work for .PS i helped pay for you to be on strike when i was a first year F/O so a little bit of a thank you for that would be nice but i am not holding mt breath.