Freedom loses all 50 seat flying for Delta.

[wmuflyguy]

I believe it was announced that Freedom was to start flying for Delta prior to Delta entering Bk. The actual flying didn't start til a month into the BK, but the decision was made before the judge was involved.

 

[Soverytired]

Noone sleeps on the plane. That was just a rumor and instead of researching to find out if it was true or not, you just ran with it. Geez, I hope you don't do your preflights like you run your piehole boy.

THIS IS SO FLAGRANTLY INACCURATE THAT YOU MUST EITHER BE MANAGEMENT OR AN UTTER FOOL.

Mesa flight crews sleep on the plane because those 2 hours in the wee hours of the morning plus the 4-5 hours at home are the only way to cumulatively get something like 8 hours of sleep a day.

I can personally attest to 2 years worth of this at Mesa. I've seen crewmembers in their jammies, flight attendants sleeping in aisles, one guy who brought a cot for the jetway, and passengers boarding while everyone was still sleeping in the back of the plane. The SINGLE hotel room for 4 crewmembers was NEVER booked, because no one ever used it . . . who wants to go to hotel with a gay FA and watch him/her strip to their underwear?

I despise ad hominen attacks. However, if the shoe fits . . . .

MORON.

 

[DrewBlows]

I believe it was announced that Freedom was to start flying for Delta prior to Delta entering Bk. The actual flying didn't start til a month into the BK, but the decision was made before the judge was involved.

You are right. In May 2005 Mesa agreed to take over D328 payments from Delta in exchange for an "Connection" contract. That contract called for Freedom to fly 30 EMB-145s. Delta filed bankruptcy in September 2005. In March 2006 Mesa signed a contract to fly 12 Dash 8s and in March 2007 they amended their agreement to fly 6 additional EMB-145s and 14 CRJ-900s. This was almost a direct replacement of Comair flying, which at the time, was decreasing. During Bankruptcy Comair lost 12 CRJ-700s to ASA/Skywest and a significant number of CRJ-200s which were retired (Skywest ended up buying many for their Midwest operation).

 

[Caspian27]

This is the most immature thread I've seen in awhile. Infighting and bickering between pilots like this is just not right. No one wants to see someone else lose their jobs. Mesa pilots aren't responsible for management decisions at their airline nor anyone else's. Be pissed all you want at JO and the Crytal Palace, but quit blaming Mesa Pilots...these guys have been taking it on the chin for years now and deserve better.

 

[samballs]

This is the most immature thread I've seen in awhile. Infighting and bickering between pilots like this is just not right. No one wants to see someone else lose their jobs. Mesa pilots aren't responsible for management decisions at their airline nor anyone else's. Be pissed all you want at JO and the Crytal Palace, but quit blaming Mesa Pilots...these guys have been taking it on the chin for years now and deserve better.

Thats the problem, its like when a man beats a woman everyone says why'd she stay with him. Same with the Mesa pilots, they all knew how bad it was, yet they took the job. Also did or did not the pilots of Mesa agree to that great contract?

 

[a-v-8er]

Let's hope Mesa ends up on the street as well.... Aloha, ATA and Mesa shut down.... hmmm, that's a total of almost 3,000 pilots, plenty with experience on the market. I feel bad for anyone else working at a regional. They'll be stuck for a long time...

 

[dooork]

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Thats the problem, its like when a man beats a woman everyone says why'd she stay with him. Same with the Mesa pilots, they all knew how bad it was, yet they took the job. Also did or did not the pilots of Mesa agree to that great contract?

Yeah it just like that. Has any other airline ever had a bad contract and then raised themselves above?
or has everyone started with all these incredible contracts I see?.....the US air pilot contract is a joke and they are oncontract....what....15,16?
We are on contract #2.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Well Put. A lot of these posters on here just sit back and talk trash behind a keeyboard. And know not what they say. But when it comes to them riding in our jump-seat, all you hear is "Hey captain do you mind if I can hitch a ride home?" Come talking this trash at my flightdeck door and see how far you will get.But I would respect you for having the guts to stick by your guns and expressing your own opinion. But once again, If anybody has a problem with the MAG pilot group. You can Meet me tomorrow at Gate 25 in the Delta terminal and we can discuss.

I agree guys. Those posers dont know wht they are talking about and if Mesa had called them first they would have went. That being said, MESA SUCKS. I left right at the contracts end and have not looked back. I understand most cannot leave because they have families and obligations, but it sounds to me that those issues may come up anyway now because I see a furlough coming.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

THIS IS SO FLAGRANTLY INACCURATE THAT YOU MUST EITHER BE MANAGEMENT OR AN UTTER FOOL.

Mesa flight crews sleep on the plane because those 2 hours in the wee hours of the morning plus the 4-5 hours at home are the only way to cumulatively get something like 8 hours of sleep a day.

I can personally attest to 2 years worth of this at Mesa. I've seen crewmembers in their jammies, flight attendants sleeping in aisles, one guy who brought a cot for the jetway, and passengers boarding while everyone was still sleeping in the back of the plane. The SINGLE hotel room for 4 crewmembers was NEVER booked, because no one ever used it . . . who wants to go to hotel with a gay FA and watch him/her strip to their underwear?

I despise ad hominen attacks. However, if the shoe fits . . . .

MORON.

You are so full of ******************** it amazes me that your airplane will even take off.

 

[Soverytired]

You are so full of ******************** it amazes me that your airplane will even take off.

Being full of ********** is a prerequisite for frequent flightinfo posting, I'm afraid.

I sometimes think that the I.Q. of a poster has an inversely proportional relationship to the number of posts put up by said user.

(As I'm nearing 1000 posts, this doesn't bode well for me.)

That said, the sheer stupidity of the Mesa "camping trip" cannot be denied. I'd love to hear how I'm wrong though.

 

[badlander45]

In this unique case it is. The industry will be better off, and the MAG pilots will be happier...even if they don't know it yet.

You're an idiot !

 

[Caspian27]

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Thats the problem, its like when a man beats a woman everyone says why'd she stay with him. Same with the Mesa pilots, they all knew how bad it was, yet they took the job. Also did or did not the pilots of Mesa agree to that great contract?

I don't understand why anyone would go there now. but it wasn't always the absolute worst regional ever. Alot of guys have so much seniority that it would be tough to leave. Some people went there because they didn't know what they were getting into because it was their first airline job. Others didn't want to commute. You get the idea.

As far as the contract is concerned, you remember the post 9/11 environment right? And JO starting Freedom because of the scope clause with UsAir...that was why Freedom was founded. Mesa signed a contract with HP for airplanes bigger than the US scope clause allowed. They gave up alot to get Freedom back in house.

You shouldn't knock on the guys that have been there for awhile. Alot got smart and got out. It's these guys that are going there right now that I don't get.

 

[KingAirKiddo]

Over the years mesa has held regional wages down, and put more workers out of work than you realize. I was with ACA and I was based in ORD, then IAD. When UAL went bankrupt, Bain Capital (UAL bk consultants) pointed to ACA / AWAC / SKYW, and laid out the new contract rates. They went through the books line by line. Pilot wages...too expensive. Hotels....too expensive. Paper for the copier...too expensive. (i'm not kidding)

We had to meet Mesa prices or be shown the door. ACA had guts and exited UAL with dignity. I eventualy lost my job, and it's funny; I don't remember any Mesa pilots feeling sympthathy for the 1700 ACA pilots that lost their jobs.....because of Mesa.

If Mesa didn't undercut everyone so bad, ACA and AWAC would still be UAL carriers. So sorry, I won't be shedding any tears.

I think in time you'll find out that most other regionals are far better. They even provide single occupancy accomadations on stand ups!

Exactly. Having been furloughed from ACA after being on the losing end of the "Bain Process" and then seeing my career expectations greatly impeded at Comair, I find it hard to muster any sympathy for Mesa Air Group pilots--particularly anyone who has joined the company in the last 5 years during the "explosive growth" period.

 

[Cloudroller]

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Thats the problem, its like when a man beats a woman everyone says why'd she stay with him. Same with the Mesa pilots, they all knew how bad it was, yet they took the job. Also did or did not the pilots of Mesa agree to that great contract?

you must work at comair

 

[badlander45]

Exactly. Having been furloughed from ACA after being on the losing end of the "Bain Process" and then seeing my career expectations greatly impeded at Comair, I find it hard to muster any sympathy for Mesa Air Group pilots--particularly anyone who has joined the company in the last 5 years during the "explosive growth" period.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe you are the reason for your " greatly impeded career expectations"? It's called capitalisim, Mesa will be out of business soon enough, then what will your excuse be?

 

[lowlycfi]

This is the most immature thread I've seen in awhile. Infighting and bickering between pilots like this is just not right. No one wants to see someone else lose their jobs. Mesa pilots aren't responsible for management decisions at their airline nor anyone else's. Be pissed all you want at JO and the Crytal Palace, but quit blaming Mesa Pilots...these guys have been taking it on the chin for years now and deserve better.

Welcome to the Regionals Forum. Home of the "My crappy regional is better than your crappy regional, who has the hottest flight attendants, Mesa Sucks, No SkyWest sucks, No RAH sucks, look at the ******bag on myspace, riddle sucks, learn how to talk on the radio, leather jackets suck, hats suck, ipods suck, hair gel sucks, back packs suck" threads. Come on in the water's fine. Just brush up on the lingo here before you come. Here's some words to research: tool, ******bag and tard. Good luck and welcome!

 

[go!ng for broke]

Welcome to the Regionals Forum. Home of the "My crappy regional is better than your crappy regional, who has the hottest flight attendants, Mesa Sucks, No SkyWest sucks, No RAH sucks, look at the ******bag on myspace, riddle sucks, learn how to talk on the radio, leather jackets suck, hats suck, ipods suck, hair gel sucks, back packs suck" threads. Come on in the water's fine. Just brush up on the lingo here before you come. Here's some words to research: tool, ******bag and tard. Good luck and welcome!

Damn there goes this thread. Ever notice when you call "bull$hit" no one wants to be next. I think I will read the rest of this thread later.

 

[McNugent]

Fukc Mesa!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[badlander45]

Fukc Mesa!!!!!!!!!!!!

and Sky West doesn"t ?

 

[McNugent]

and Skypest too!!!!!!!!!!