Freedom loses all 50 seat flying for Delta.

[cq43vt17t]

No , once again..THERE ARE NO FREEDOM A LISTERS ON PROPERTY

I don't know about you, but I've flown, trained with, and met several myself. There are some still at YV & F8. I know of some on the 145 and the 900. The surprising thing is that most of the ones I have encountered, you would have never guessed they were part of the operation when it started.

 

[79%N1]

Over the years mesa has held regional wages down, and put more workers out of work than you realize. I was with ACA and I was based in ORD, then IAD. When UAL went bankrupt, Bain Capital (UAL bk consultants) pointed to ACA / AWAC / SKYW, and laid out the new contract rates. They went through the books line by line. Pilot wages...too expensive. Hotels....too expensive. Paper for the copier...too expensive. (i'm not kidding)

We had to meet Mesa prices or be shown the door. ACA had guts and exited UAL with dignity. I eventualy lost my job, and it's funny; I don't remember any Mesa pilots feeling sympthathy for the 1700 ACA pilots that lost their jobs.....because of Mesa.

If Mesa didn't undercut everyone so bad, ACA and AWAC would still be UAL carriers. So sorry, I won't be shedding any tears.

I think in time you'll find out that most other regionals are far better. They even provide single occupancy accomadations on stand ups!

CAN I GET AN AMEN!

 

[B.T.Justice]

Then by implication, Mesa doesn't provide that? **** mesa!

Up until about a year ago, the crew had to sleep on the plane....Now I think it's 1 room for the entire crew!

 

[RP170]

But you really have no idea how our crooked contract came to be.

And you've agreed to work under it.

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

"When UAL went bankrupt..."

Over the years mesa has held regional wages down, and put more workers out of work than you realize. I was with ACA and I was based in ORD, then IAD. When UAL went bankrupt, Bain Capital (UAL bk consultants) pointed to ACA / AWAC / SKYW, and laid out the new contract rates. They went through the books line by line. Pilot wages...too expensive. Hotels....too expensive. Paper for the copier...too expensive. (i'm not kidding)

We had to meet Mesa prices or be shown the door. ACA had guts and exited UAL with dignity. I eventualy lost my job

You said it yourself, "When UAL went bankrupt". They cancelled and renegotiated ALL contracts in ALL areas of their business. UAL even screwed over their own employees. Delta did and USAir did the same thing with all of their contracts. Don't you think that (BANKRUPTCY) might have had a little something to do with it? Your logic is riddled with holes.

As far as exiting with dignity goes...how dignified was it when ACA management made a foolish decision to go it alone with RJ's. I guess that was the Mesa pilot group's fault also, right?

 

[Soverytired]

We had to meet Mesa prices or be shown the door. ACA had guts and exited UAL with dignity. I eventualy lost my job, and it's funny; I don't remember any Mesa pilots feeling sympthathy for the 1700 ACA pilots that lost their jobs.....because of Mesa.

Clearly, you don't know many (if any) Mesa pilots then. ACA going down in flames was a shame. NO pilot at Mesa wanted to merge with you (via Mesa's failed takeover attempt), and no one I knew reveled in ACA's quick demise.

"Exited with dignity?" Clearly, ACA pilots must have had a great deal of control over major business decisions then.

In hindsight, trying to run an airline A.K.A. "Independence" using mainly 50-seat RJ's seems pretty foolish. How much cash did ACA burn through in less than a year? Good god man!

I feel incredibly badly for the Aloha pilots, because they got f'd by Mesa, pure and simple. The ACA story is much, much more complicated. The seeds of ACA's demise are more rooted in a ill-thought-out business plan than a regional that charged United 2% less for it's lift services.

 

[lindsaya99]

Don't you think that had more to do with Delta having a little payback from that strike back in 2001 (or was it 2000? - I forget)? Delta feels like they learned a lesson - they put all their eggs in one basket in ComAir at CVG and got burned.

You are REALLY reaching if you are blaming Delta and ComAir's financial issues on the Mesa pilot group. Nice try though.

Payback? So the Comair pilot group deserved "payback" for going on strike in an attempt to raise the bar for regional airline pay and work rules? Well, then I guess the Mesa pilot group deserved a reward for rolling over and accepting pay and workrules that are among the worst in the industry. Come on guys, even Colgan gets block or better. The fact remains that while I found myself on the street, Mesa took flying over from my previous employer. As another poster stated, the same thing happend to ACA and AWAC. Now its been done to Aloha. 1900 jobs lost just so you could fly a handful of RJs in Hawaii.
I wonder how many Mesa pilots were working at Aloha. Oh the irony, sell out for a quick upgrade so you can move on to a Major just to be put out of a job by a your old regional. Could almost drive a man to drink!

 

[rickair7777]

I don't know about you, but I've flown, trained with, and met several myself. There are some still at YV & F8. I know of some on the 145 and the 900. The surprising thing is that most of the ones I have encountered, you would have never guessed they were part of the operation when it started.

Yeah I had the pleasure of flying with a few FAGs myself, and it wasn't that long ago...I'm almost certain there are still some there.

The A-listers invariably had an excuse for doing it...

Excuses are like buttholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

 

[pdub20s]

a reward for rolling over and accepting pay and workrules that are among the worst in the industry.

Once again, another tool who doesnt know what he is talking about

 

[rogerwilcoout]

In this unique case it is. The industry will be better off, and the MAG pilots will be happier...even if they don't know it yet.

You are an idiot !

 

[Lav Service]

Once again, another tool who doesnt know what he is talking about

YOU'RE calling someone a tool...... FADEC Channel B? Gimme a break!

Post all you want buddy, it doesn't look like you're going to get a who lot of sympathy.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Yeah I had the pleasure of flying with a few FAGs myself, and it wasn't that long ago...I'm almost certain there are still some there.

The A-listers invariably had an excuse for doing it...

Excuses are like buttholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

No "A" listers are currently flying the line.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Up until about a year ago, the crew had to sleep on the plane....Now I think it's 1 room for the entire crew!

Noone sleeps on the plane. That was just a rumor and instead of researching to find out if it was true or not, you just ran with it. Geez, I hope you don't do your preflights like you run your piehole boy.

 

[pdub20s]

YOU'RE calling someone a tool...... FADEC Channel B? Gimme a break!

Post all you want buddy, it doesn't look like you're going to get a who lot of sympathy.

Hmmm.."lav Service".... Tools unite?!?!?

 

[rogerwilcoout]

I don't know about you, but I've flown, trained with, and met several myself. There are some still at YV & F8. I know of some on the 145 and the 900. The surprising thing is that most of the ones I have encountered, you would have never guessed they were part of the operation when it started.

Again, you are an idiot.

 

[pdub20s]

Noone sleeps on the plane. That was just a rumor and instead of researching to find out if it was true or not, you just ran with it. Geez, I hope you don't do your preflights like you run your piehole boy.

Yea man.. I never slept on a airplane...well on a 3hour sit I have. A lot of these guys have no clue what they are talking about.

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

Wasn't Delta in bankruptcy reorganization then??

Payback? So the Comair pilot group deserved "payback" for going on strike in an attempt to raise the bar for regional airline pay and work rules?

Wasn't Delta in Ch 11 at the time Comair lost their flying? Wasn't Delta desperately cutting costs at the time? They almost canceled their own pilot group's pension fund, but Delta pilots threatened to walk if they did.

But, I guess in YOUR world it's somehow the Mesa pilot group's fault that Delta was hemmoraging cash. Our crappy, bend over contract was the straw that broke the camel's back and the whole industry went to the crapper! Is that how it goes? Enlighten me please.

We, as a pilot group, supported your strike and paid into the strike fund. I know I did personally.

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

Again, this is factually NOT correct!

No "A" listers are currently flying the line.

With a quick glance at a PHX bid 0805 bid roster I see at least 3 Freedumb A listers. I know them and they ARE flying the line. You are wrong.

 

[pdub20s]

Good to see that the MESA guys are coming out of the wood works on this message board. Defending the pilot group. Only if we could have done this months ago against MGT

 

[dooork]

Delta did this,United did that,US Air did the other thing....sound like its these airlines that F$cked sooo many pilots...go hate them....Oh yea thats who YOU want to work for! You want to talk about us not working for MESA yet you want to work for these A holes who have done the real damage to the pilot profession!.....F%ck YOU!

 

[dooork]

And further more...... JO is small potatoes compared to Stephen Wolf and his little dot head friend, and the rest of the Big airline CEO's. They are the real demise.....but you would sell your soul to work for them! Yeah tell me about being to good to work for a piece of Sh%T. Agin...F7ck You.

 

[SennaP1]

Good to see that the MESA guys are coming out of the wood works on this message board. Defending the pilot group. Only if we could have done this months ago against MGT

pdubs20s,

Didn't you have a interview with RAH, I thought you wanted out of Mesa (F8)

 

[cq43vt17t]

Again, you are an idiot.

I don't know what you are calling me an idiot for.... I have met people that work at MAG that are A-listers. I don't like what they did, but I don't go out of my way to make their lives miserable. Wishing ill will to any pilot group doesn't cure anything.

 

[cq43vt17t]

Yeah I had the pleasure of flying with a few FAGs myself, and it wasn't that long ago...I'm almost certain there are still some there.

The A-listers invariably had an excuse for doing it...

Excuses are like buttholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

Rick.... I have flown with a few of them also while on the F8 side. I agree some of them have silly excuses and I don't see eye to eye with them, however (believe it or not) I've also flown with some that are actually feel bad about what they did. What they may have done might be inexcusable, but I don't feel that they are all bad individuals and I can't group them as a whole by calling them names.

 

[cq43vt17t]

Good to see that the MESA guys are coming out of the wood works on this message board. Defending the pilot group. Only if we could have done this months ago against MGT

I will defend the MAG pilot group as well as any pilot group for the most part, but I don't like to defend MESA in general. Having flown both sides (F8 and YV) I have found that MAG has way too many problems to fix.

I honestly feel if you look at the two parts, F8 is a much more efficient company. I enjoyed working over there much more than I do on the UEX side. It is really unfortunate for the MAG pilot group that the ERJ flying is done with, but at the same time its comical that JO's tactics of breaching a contract are backfiring on him.

 

[IronCityBlue]

Delta did this,United did that,US Air did the other thing....sound like its these airlines that F$cked sooo many pilots...go hate them....Oh yea thats who YOU want to work for! You want to talk about us not working for MESA yet you want to work for these A holes who have done the real damage to the pilot profession!.....F%ck YOU!

A Mesa pilot on a rant telling everyone else to eff off. Wow. That's uh, that's pretty special. :laugh:

What ever happened to the post of the day hall of fame someone suggested a while back? Cause that one definately deserves to make it!

 

[ratherbeflyen]

Wasn't Delta desperately cutting costs at the time? They almost canceled their own pilot group's pension fund, but Delta pilots threatened to walk if they did.

There ya have it. The pilot group taking a stand against the BS that management shoves in your face.

Although I take no joy in seeing airlines go under, I have no sympathy for people who chose to work for a place that they know will treat them so poorly. Perhaps you should have sought employment at a more reputable company. Or if you had to work for Mesa for what ever reason. Maybe if you had taken a stand on getting better work rules, maybe Mesa wouldn't have been hemoraging pilots, and wouldn't have such poor performance that has you in this predicament.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

I don't know what you are calling me an idiot for.... I have met people that work at MAG that are A-listers. I don't like what they did, but I don't go out of my way to make their lives miserable. Wishing ill will to any pilot group doesn't cure anything.

Oh I absolutely agree that you probably have met some "A" listers at MAG. BUT NONE ARE FLYING THE LINE ! Good God you people amaze me.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

I will defend the MAG pilot group as well as any pilot group for the most part, but I don't like to defend MESA in general. Having flown both sides (F8 and YV) I have found that MAG has way too many problems to fix.

I honestly feel if you look at the two parts, F8 is a much more efficient company. I enjoyed working over there much more than I do on the UEX side. It is really unfortunate for the MAG pilot group that the ERJ flying is done with, but at the same time its comical that JO's tactics of breaching a contract are backfiring on him.

Yeah man. Although I only lasted to see my contract through I know that the people over there are hard working people with the same aspirations we all have in this troubled industry. Good luck to every pilot group. Dig in guys, gonna be a tough year.

 

[DrewBlows]

Wasn't Delta in Ch 11 at the time Comair lost their flying? Wasn't Delta desperately cutting costs at the time? They almost canceled their own pilot group's pension fund, but Delta pilots threatened to walk if they did.

But, I guess in YOUR world it's somehow the Mesa pilot group's fault that Delta was hemmoraging cash. Our crappy, bend over contract was the straw that broke the camel's back and the whole industry went to the crapper! Is that how it goes? Enlighten me please.

We, as a pilot group, supported your strike and paid into the strike fund. I know I did personally.

For someone who points out other's factual inadequacy you certainly stray off the factual path.

Delta pilot's did lose their pensions.

Bankruptcy was the facilitator of Delta's cost cutting, but it was Mesa who put bids in that were, in hindsight, clearly unsustainable. Even before bankruptcy Mesa agreed to take over lease payments on airplanes they never intended to fly (D328). During bankruptcy they put in a bid which they would only make money if maintained a bare bones staffing level. This staffing level caused the operation to suffer and Mesa is losing their Delta contract because of this.

Again this has nothing to do with Mesa pilots. One could surmise that they have suffered more than anyone at the hands of the Mesa regime. I can only deduct that Mesa apologists suffer from Stockholm syndrome.