Flex's Response?

[Sky Pirate]

Well CS got their raise because of the NJ TA, what about us Rick? We know you monitor this forum and post your responses on the BB and the reason that we won't post our frustration on the BB is because it is usually followed up with the Waterview carpet dance, followed by the "Your Fired Speech". Did you ever think that the amount of money that is spent on training new hires could have been used to keep the current group of pilots happy by offering a competative salary. We are losing way too many pilots. With all these new aircraft coming in and your response is that NJ can't pay those salaries for long because they will go out of business. Thats crap and you know it. Owners will always pay the premium for the service that we offer. These are not the airlines.
Here's another question Rick. If I was a potential pilot for the fractionals and I had my choice between NJ, CS, FLOPs, and FLEX, who do you think I would choose? Why should I as a pilot except an offer from Flex, if your competators offer better schedules, salaries, benefits, ect. Soon your going to have a lot of Jets and no pilots to fly them. Its coming to a head and you are going to have to respond. Otherwise the powers that be are going to start to question your leadership and you know that their are those around you that want the CP position and God knows that we don't want them there. Flex has so much potential, now is the time to show the pilot group that they are appreciated.

 

[el raton]

Waterview,
Put yourself in our shoes. Think of the people who are coming here for the duration (long term). Flex is the best fractional in the industry, its great for owners, bombardier, & managment. NJA, C.S. work 37 days a year less than us. Do the math over a ten year period, I spend more than 1 year less with my growing children, while making less money.
Hears an Idea that should become a plan. 7 days on 7 days off. match NJA's payscale. If this isn't done, if managment gives a sad excuse explaining why Q.O.L. is not their concern, Or compare us to a regional airline, compare us to the lifesblood of Flex Jet, because there will be a mass exodus, and you won't be able to hire anyone worth a darn.
How many cosmotheass do you have ? can you rely on people like him to carry the load at flex, while the rest of us bail on you. I for one wan't to stay , but will not if you do not match what NJA has

 

[el raton]

forget it

 

[HeyHomer]

I'm an Ex-Flex, happy to say. You and sky pirate are nuts on, I enjoyed the pilot force and dipatchers et al, the equipment was and is top notch, heck even the sales teams were doing a fantastic job when I left, (so much potential wasted, hence the mass exodus!!). As for Gross-handy man-turner-and the rest of the bunch who look out for themselves, better watch your step, because Bombardier won't hesitate to can your arse and it is a small world out here. As the ole saying goes I wouldn't...even if you were on fire!


HH

 

[pipejockey]

Well instead of starting a new thread just to ask my question I will ask it here. Are the 2500 hours total time a hard minimum for flexjet? I have triple the ME mins and double the turbine mins.

 

[Cpt Splash]

Well instead of starting a new thread just to ask my question I will ask it here. Are the 2500 hours total time a hard minimum for flexjet? I have triple the ME mins and double the turbine mins.

tt is 2500 because of a contract the owners have with Flexjet, so you need it

 

[nipper]

tt is 2500 because of a contract the owners have with Flexjet, so you need it

Cause they always follow that.

 

[futurepizzaguy]

tt is 2500 because of a contract the owners have with Flexjet, so you need it

This doesnt apply to (short) females however

 

[nipper]

This doesnt apply to (short) females however

:beer: :laugh:

 

[Cpt Splash]

Well it turns out that there is a pilot meeting just after Thanksgiving. The latest voice mail confirms that managment is feeling the pressure. I just hope it's not going to be too little, too late. The need to change the schedule, gateways, and pay scales are really going to make or break Flex. There has been a lot of anamosity lately, and not just because of the NJ TA. We are continuing to lose good pilots at record numbers. Its time to swallow the pride and do the right thing. Make this place a long time carrer option.

Everybody have a good holiday and fly safe.:beer:

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Here's hoping that Flex gets an even BETTER deal than NJA. Keep raising that bar !!!

:beer:

 

[Guitar rocker]

This doesnt apply to (short) females however

You are RIGHT on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great example....the females hired straight out of college with no time and sitting in some Boeing at UAL. Makes me sick.

 

[Lear70]

When I was in my final year at Flex ('98), we hired a "short female" who took several shots in the sim before she made it on.

She never upgraded on the Lear but logged 1,000 hours of 61.51 PIC and met the minimums at Southwest.

She was at my Southwest interview a year and a half ago.

She got hired and will be off probation this Christmas.

Must be nice to be in that particular demographic ...

For the record, are we talking about Rick Handschuch? He's the Chief Pilot now?

God help you guys... You deserve some major raises and QOL increases.

 

[Sky Pirate]

Two words gentlemen " Direct To". Those that are still with Flex know who I'm talking about. And just think they hired someone recently whos about the same size. Imagine getting those two together.

 

[Semore Butts]

Yep

Dont know exactly which short female you are referring too.

I hired in in 98, left in 2002 for Netjets.

Yeah Rick has been the C.P. for a long time..

I've talked to some guys on the line recently. A couple F.O.'s said they applied with us.

One Cpt said that Rick was saying the company is talking raise for you guys. (Great, your welcome)

Another Cpt said they need to get the union thing going...

On both counts, good luck, talk is cheap....... (Flexjet interview 1998, you should upgrade in about 8 to 10 months")

 

[Lear70]

Hope the raise is good enough to stem the bleeding that's going to occur with NJA's new pay.

On both counts, good luck, talk is cheap....... (Flexjet interview 1998, you should upgrade in about 8 to 10 months")

You didn't upgrade? I hired in June of '98 and was in the left seat by Christmas on the 31. Thought everyone back then upgraded fast...

Congrats on the new contract. When (if) they bring back home basing I might be tempted to throw my hat in the pile over there. This whole regional airline thing not knowing if your parent company is going to keep you or kick you really bites.

 

[Flightbag]

Hey Sky Pirate:

Stop your whining.

Take that energy you're wasting and help with a union organizing drive.

The folks at IBT 1108 will help if you ask.

Flightbag

 

[cosmotheassman]

And with the folks at IBT 1108, we at flex could get a good contract, in just under what, 4 years?? No thanks. In all fairness, I'm really glad NJ got what they got, it can only benefit everyone.

 

[vixin]

I hired in in 98, left in 2002 for Netjets.
Semore Butts,

If you hired in 98 then you upgraded in less then a year. It was the poor guys who hired after Feb 2000 that were lied to in the interview. Anyone hired before that had a quick upgrade. I think you need to check your dates.

That being said. I think FlexJet will come through the first week of December. If not they will bleed bad. If they do I will buy the first NJ guy I meet a frosty cold one, heck make that two!! Thanks if they come through!! If they dont then watch us bleed brothas.

 

[cosmotheassman]

I hate to speculate but, from what I've read on BB on the CAB notes, it looks like our boys did their homework. I hope the company will do the right thing. We're not asking for that much to begin with. Vixin, do you think they'll match what Citation Shares got??