Flexjet

[johnnyride24]

Sorry for the bad news.

Here is FR game plan.
standard history.

1. Lay Offs ( current)
2. Pay Concessions
3. More Layoffs
4. He runs away with fat pockets

 

[Gators]

Is this all speculation or has somebody officially heard something? Sorry to hear this if true...

 

[dashtrasher]

I AM taking my own advice, I'm not a hypocrite.

Standup gesture, my hat is off to you..

 

[DUATS]

At least 20 have been notified. No mention of recall rights that I am aware of.

 

[V1 Rotate]

Recall rights were given (per DG ACP e-mail to our fleet).

 

[DirtyBeech]

What were they?

Ability to re-interview for your job and start at year 1 pay?

 

[Imissmypilot]

The beat goes on.....

What were they?

Ability to re-interview for your job and start at year 1 pay?

Isn't that what the group of 6 that got re-hired last fall got? Real good recall rights. Guess those guys are on the street now. I would imagine they aren't going to get many takers if/when they start hiring again.

Waiting for the other shoe to fall, pay cuts for remaining pilots?

 

[doylehargraves]

Well, it clearly isn't about money because pay cuts and schedule reductions were offered as an alternative and they shot it down so, reducing my pay solves nothing--per their own words. NONE of the people let go will ever come back, even if called next month and I don't blame them. Fred has taken this ship to whole new level with communications being right at the top of the list of problems with this place---BIG SHOCKER.

I think if we reduced down to one ACP, that might reduce some cost. Why do we need 3 ACP's?

 

[BentOver]

FWIW, NJA is already spinning up the propoganda machine... Demand down, watching things closely.. OH and it's up to the pilots to do an oustanding job to keep owners happy (as if that's not what pilots have always done despite managements shortcomings)...

In a new twist, management is starting the "your CBA prevented us from accomplishing a late flight request... which cost NJA xx,xxx.xx amount of dollars towards the bottom line,....." Owner was not happy yada yada...


Fractionals= aviations version of a ponzi scheme

 

[Xcorporate]

Feel horrible for the Flex guys. I've met a bunch over the years and they are a great group. New low for the frac. industry IMO.

 

[exagony]

Do we really need a manager for flight attendents? With only 20 flight attendents do we need any overpriced desk jockey to parade them around waterview once a year???

 

[Ref]

Well, it clearly isn't about money because pay cuts and schedule reductions were offered as an alternative and they shot it down so, reducing my pay solves nothing--per their own words. NONE of the people let go will ever come back, even if called next month and I don't blame them. Fred has taken this ship to whole new level with communications being right at the top of the list of problems with this place---BIG SHOCKER.

I think if we reduced down to one ACP, that might reduce some cost. Why do we need 3 ACP's?

I hear ya. I dont even know if I would come back tomorrow if they called me. The way this thing has been handled has been a big joke in my opinion.

 

[Imissmypilot]

I think FR was one of the last people hired therefore he should be subject to the RIF. Maybe we should fire him as well and get a new person to run FlexJet.

Maybe Obama or Biden might like to give it a try after November when they lose! I think either of those clowns could do just as good of a job running us into the ground as FR.

 

[4mr72drvr]

Does anyone konwthe exact number of pilots let go? Thx!!!

 

[CALRepublic]

Does anyone konwthe exact number of pilots let go? Thx!!!

and did they do it from the bottom?

(I hope you don't mind me adding to your question)

 

[DirtyBeech]

7 early retirements
22 let go from the bottom
6 other pilot spots to remain unfilled
2 Flex Canada
10 from the Waterview

....and we have to wait until Monday to find out what the almighty hurry was.

 

[doylehargraves]

yea 37. I'm not understanding what the 6 "unfilled" means though.

 

[CALRepublic]

....and we have to wait until Monday to find out what the almighty hurry was.

interesting, "wait til Monday"... companies usually announce bad news on Sundays, when wall-street closes. But I don't think Flexjet is that big to affect Bombadier's stock price that much

 

[DirtyBeech]

yea 37. I'm not understanding what the 6 "unfilled" means though.

I suspect it means we were already running lean and elected to keep those spots open.

 

[V1 Rotate]

I asked the same thing and was told from Tom that there were six spots that they were planning to fill, meaning recalls I assume, that they obviously won't do now.

 

[justmeinmsp]

Flex was always a good place to work, even though they pissed me off every now and then. They wonder why they score so low on communication, well this is it. This will haunt employee moral for a long time. I know I hadn't forgotten the crappy deal 3 years ago, and I thought about that with each survey. I don't know how we went from the E-Mail on the 7th of May, (things are doing great, ahead of budget on every thing except live hours, down 4 or 5%). Now 22 days later, gloom and doom e-mail. Then on the 5th we are firing an unknown number of employs you'll knownby Friday. I still a little bit stunned. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted

 

[doylehargraves]

Flex was always a good place to work, even though they pissed me off every now and then. They wonder why they score so low on communication, well this is it. This will haunt employee moral for a long time. I know I hadn't forgotten the crappy deal 3 years ago, and I thought about that with each survey. I don't know how we went from the E-Mail on the 7th of May, (things are doing great, ahead of budget on every thing except live hours, down 4 or 5%). Now 22 days later, gloom and doom e-mail. Then on the 5th we are firing an unknown number of employs you'll knownby Friday. I still a little bit stunned. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted

That is why we think there is something else in play here. When you right size a company this fast there is only 3 things it could be: (Keep in mind we are understaffed by 6 pilots and there will be no downgrades.)

1: Incompetent Management wanted to just rip the bandaid quickly to minimize blowback from a long drawn out "excuse".

2: Make the company lean just prior to a merger

3: Accounting screwed something up or someone stealing from the company, i.e. and/or "cooking the books".

 

[4mr72drvr]

7 early retirements
22 let go from the bottom
6 other pilot spots to remain unfilled
2 Flex Canada
10 from the Waterview

....and we have to wait until Monday to find out what the almighty hurry was.

Someone please explain the hurry on Monday, if they explain.

 

[doylehargraves]

The explanation we got on the "hurry" was that Fred made the mistake of just waiting til the last minute. Not really an answer but basically was saying that he didn't think it through well enough. Well, I'm not buying it. I hate to be that conspiracy person but, this whole thing smells of a sale. They can deny that all they want and, they will deny it if it is true so, we won't know until the night prior---kind of like the layoffs.

 

[freightdog227]

The rumor that I heard is that NJA wants to buy a bunch of CL30s, but they also want a no-compete clause written into the deal. Of course, this is all "hush-hush". If this comes to fruition, it'll essentially be a death blow to FJ. Hopefully it's just a rumor.

 

[doylehargraves]

It could be a death blow if they allow that clause; however, Flexjet's response would be the 85. I highly doubt there is a no compete clause though. Number one, has that ever happened? Number two, why would Bombardier accept a deal to where they would only ever sell that plane to one company? That would be stupid on their part; however, I have seen crazier things at this place.

 

[freightdog227]

just learned that NJA got a no-compete clause with their deal on the Globals. I think that it's pretty likely that they also got one with their deal on the Challengers. Time will only tell...

 

[exagony]

Wow the cool aid drinkers are gonna be in for a shock soon.

 

[Club ORD FO]

just learned that NJA got a no-compete clause with their deal on the Globals. I think that it's pretty likely that they also got one with their deal on the Challengers. Time will only tell...

Source?

 

[doylehargraves]

just learned that NJA got a no-compete clause with their deal on the Globals. I think that it's pretty likely that they also got one with their deal on the Challengers. Time will only tell...

You are wrong. That would mean we cease to exist as of today and we got word from the REAL CEO on our "status" as a company as it relates to Bombardier so, nice guess but you're wrong.