Flexjet, pilots...

[GlorifiedCabbie]

It was an engine plug, but no matter. Certain pilots get held to a different standard than others. I wonder why?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

It was an engine plug, but no matter. Certain pilots get held to a different standard than others. I wonder why?

So are you saying he should have been disciplined or even terminated for this event?

 

[slowtation capt]

So are you saying he should have been disciplined or even terminated for this event?

Ok, here is the deal since TWA is trying to bait people down a road a little bit at a time, so he can then say something about the IBT, about the contract, about this or that, which is going to be something negative, and then he can try and say "see, I told you"

Yes by all accounts he should have been disciplined or fired for the actions that occurred and that were taken by him after what was initially a mistake.

Can the IBT or any Union force the company to bring some discipline or actually fire them for something that the company sweep under the rug, NO!
If the company is unwilling to act because for all we know this special guy had a picture of some higher company individual engage in certain Montana broke back mountain sheep activities or whatever it was they had done together, because he certainly has something.
He doesn't get terminated for something of that nature, yet someone else who has a few pictures on Facebook that are meaningless does get fired.
It's amazing how they choose to use their vague "Social Media" policy against a Union supporter/member/committee position holder, but do nothing for their special broke back Montana mountain boy.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

So are you saying he should have been disciplined or even terminated for this event?

TWA/Captain Queeg- the problem wasn't about sucking in the engine plug. The crew flew revenue legs prior to having the engine inspected. Everyone makes mistakes but when the cover-up failed to recognized the risk to passengers? LABEL me part of the cover-up.

 

[EngineThunder]

TWA/Captain Queeg- the problem wasn't about sucking in the engine plug. The crew flew revenue legs prior to having the engine inspected. Everyone makes mistakes but when the cover-up failed to recognized the risk to passengers? LABEL me part of the cover-up.

And the FO was okay with this? Yikes! Full story must be interesting.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

I hear ya Engine! The culture of intimidation was pretty tough in the day-even for someone that was anti-union prior to the Sheringa days. If that FO didn't toe the line, he got "special" treatment from the dispatchers.

 

[dime line]

TWA/Captain Queeg- the problem wasn't about sucking in the engine plug. The crew flew revenue legs prior to having the engine inspected. Everyone makes mistakes but when the cover-up failed to recognized the risk to passengers? LABEL me part of the cover-up.

And the Capt got promoted to Ground instructor

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Ok, here is the deal since TWA is trying to bait people down a road a little bit at a time, so he can then say something about the IBT, about the contract, about this or that, which is going to be something negative, and then he can try and say "see, I told you"

Yes by all accounts he should have been disciplined or fired for the actions that occurred and that were taken by him after what was initially a mistake.

Can the IBT or any Union force the company to bring some discipline or actually fire them for something that the company sweep under the rug, NO!
If the company is unwilling to act because for all we know this special guy had a picture of some higher company individual engage in certain Montana broke back mountain sheep activities or whatever it was they had done together, because he certainly has something.
He doesn't get terminated for something of that nature, yet someone else who has a few pictures on Facebook that are meaningless does get fired.
It's amazing how they choose to use their vague "Social Media" policy against a Union supporter/member/committee position holder, but do nothing for their special broke back Montana mountain boy.

Yes, the union can force the company to discipline or fire somebody. If someone fails to pay their dues, then the union will do those exact things, right?

In case you forgot, here is that section:
11.1(d) If, upon the expiration of the 15 day period, the pilot still remains delinquent, the Union shall certify in writing to the Vice President of Flight Operations with a copy to the pilot that the pilot has failed to remit payment within the grace period allowed and is therefore to be discharged. The Vice President of Flight Operations shall notify the pilot by certified mail, return receipt requested, that he is to be discharged.

So, from what you are saying it would be ok for the company to not discipline a proud Union supporrter, but not someone you don't like, hence the gay terms.

So much for together we stand.

 

[The Architect]

Reaching

Yes, the union can force the company to discipline or fire somebody. If someone fails to pay their dues, then the union will do those exact things, right?

In case you forgot, here is that section:
11.1(d) If, upon the expiration of the 15 day period, the pilot still remains delinquent, the Union shall certify in writing to the Vice President of Flight Operations with a copy to the pilot that the pilot has failed to remit payment within the grace period allowed and is therefore to be discharged. The Vice President of Flight Operations shall notify the pilot by certified mail, return receipt requested, that he is to be discharged.

Now even you know better than that. That is in no way related to provisions associated with "just cause." Reaching deep now, aren't we?

It must be getting harder and harder for you to find cons. Especially when you look back at the posts and see that you have failed to challenge the facts I provided that clarify your inaccuracies.

Must be running out of material over there...

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Now even you know better than that. That is in no way related to provisions associated with "just cause." Reaching deep now, aren't we?

It must be getting harder and harder for you to find cons. Especially when you look back at the posts and see that you have failed to challenge the facts I provided that clarify your inaccuracies.

Must be running out of material over there...

Not really reaching. He said the union could not force the company fire someone, I was showing him where he was wrong.

I am not the one who needs material, it is your side.

You are the ones that need to convince the FJ pilots, not me.

I am just on here to oppose your obvious lies and fear grenades.

Oh yeah, don't forget to add 4 more names to your scab-like list as of today. A really large class starts in December so please leave more slots open.

BTW, the first 4 guys think it is hilarious that you call them scabs. They have started calling themselves scab 1,2,3,4, knowing how rediculous it is.

 

[The Architect]

Weak

I am just on here to oppose your obvious lies and fear grenades.

Yes. That's apparently part of your assignment. Sad part...no lies or fear grenades from The Architect. Hard to get that assignment done when it comes to The Architect.

Oh yeah, don't forget to add 4 more names to your scab-like list as of today. A really large class starts in December so please leave more slots open.

BTW, the first 4 guys think it is hilarious that you call them scabs. They have started calling themselves scab 1,2,3,4, knowing how rediculous it is.

Again TWA - I never said that they were scabs. Keep trying to spread that crap.

Here's a thought for you... The seniority lists will merge. And when they do, the Flight Options pilots in the LR45 fleet that were the most junior and couldn't get good schedules, vacations, etc. because of that low seniority number... Well, after the lists merge they may effectively revert to their placement with their old Flight Options Seniority number and date of hire. Instantly becoming more senior in that fleet.

On the other hand, on Monday, the for most junior pilots hired at Flexjet are making more money than pilots senior to them. Must not be a good feeling for those more senior pilots.

It's gonna be interesting...

 

[X-rated]

Here's a thought for you... The seniority lists will merge. And when they do, the Flight Options pilots in the LR45 fleet that were the most junior and couldn't get good schedules, vacations, etc. because of that low seniority number... Well, after the lists merge they may effectively revert to their placement with their old Flight Options Seniority number and date of hire. Instantly becoming more senior in that fleet.

You assume a merged list will be strictly DOH. Not much chance of the Union surviving if that's their goal. Having language that guarantees an integration method is one thing, but who's going to enforce that provision when the Union is decertified?

 

[slowtation capt]

Yes, the union can force the company to discipline or fire somebody. If someone fails to pay their dues, then the union will do those exact things, right?

In case you forgot, here is that section:
11.1(d) If, upon the expiration of the 15 day period, the pilot still remains delinquent, the Union shall certify in writing to the Vice President of Flight Operations with a copy to the pilot that the pilot has failed to remit payment within the grace period allowed and is therefore to be discharged. The Vice President of Flight Operations shall notify the pilot by certified mail, return receipt requested, that he is to be discharged.

So, from what you are saying it would be ok for the company to not discipline a proud Union supporrter, but not someone you don't like, hence the gay terms.

So much for together we stand.

Exactly what I said you would do. Except for the fact that you are stretching things here. Talking about disciplining a pilot for things that he has done, to going to what is standard language in any union company.

I had you pegged all wrong TWA, I thought you were just an animate anti-union person, now I realize that you have a pretty sorry life. To sit around with our contract and try to trap people down a road that is so far apart it isn't even funny.

You are essentially comparing the cop pulling you over for speeding to why the car manufactures make the cars drive faster than the speed limit in the first place.

Now let's talk about your hatred for Homosexuals. Did you feel a need to bring this out on FlightInfo? If you have a problem with anybody who loves someone of their same sex, then just keep it to yourself? It is nobody's business on here.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

You assume a merged list will be strictly DOH. Not much chance of the Union surviving if that's their goal. Having language that guarantees an integration method is one thing, but who's going to enforce that provision when the Union is decertified?

Without the CBA, Uncle gets to decide and we know how that worked. Certain pilots got special deals, others were stuck with leftovers. In his book, KR praises a 2 tier system. And he has to let the Flex pilots believe they will be treated better than the FO pilots.

 

[hammer2]

Without the CBA, Uncle gets to decide and we know how that worked. Certain pilots got special deals, others were stuck with leftovers. In his book, KR praises a 2 tier system. Agnd he has to let the Flex pilots believe they will be treated better than the FO pilots.

Really? Have you seen the uniforms he's making the Flex pilots wear?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Yeah. Sorry about that. Uncle sometimes has these "visions". Just like the 5 stripe thing, he wants you guys to stand out and be the envy of the industry.

 

[hammer2]

Yeah. Sorry about that. Uncle sometimes has these "visions". Just like the 5 stripe thing, he wants you guys to stand out and be the envy of the industry.

I think this is a cruel joke the he and the options pilots are playing on us to get a laugh.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Exactly what I said you would do. Except for the fact that you are stretching things here.

Now let's talk about your hatred for Homosexuals Did you feel a need to bring this out on FlightInfo? If you have a problem with anybody who loves someone of their same sex, then just keep it to yourself? It is nobody's business on here.

but do nothing's for their special broke back Montana mountain boy.

Ok, let's look at who is stretching things here.

You call someone you wish wold have been fired by a name that refers to an openly gay movie. I call you on that.

You now say I have a hatred for homosexuals?

I know you guys want to discredit me because you don't agree with my views, but try to find something real as opposed to fabricating a hatred that I do not have.

This is pathetic, even for you.

The irony here is that your union would have been required to spend your Union dues to fight to get him his job back.

 

[slowtation capt]

Ok, let's look at who is stretching things here.

You call someone you wish wold have been fired by a name that refers to an openly gay movie. I call you on that.

You now say I have a hatred for homosexuals?

I know you guys want to discredit me because you don't agree with my views, but try to find something real as opposed to fabricating a hatred that I do not have.

This is pathetic, even for you.

The irony here is that your union would have been required to spend your Union dues to fight to get him his job back.

Broke Back was a movie
Montana is a state.
The state is common reference to the movie.
I was not commenting on any sexual preferences.
You put that label on them.

I'm just following your lead, this is your MO on how to goat and rope.

Using the word "gay" is completely different and is considered derogatory to homesexuals.

I don't want to discredit you because you don't believe in my views of the Union. I want to discredit you because I believe you to be a worthless price of sh@t.

 

[The Architect]

Merge Methods

You assume a merged list will be strictly DOH. Not much chance of the Union surviving if that's their goal. Having language that guarantees an integration method is one thing, but who's going to enforce that provision when the Union is decertified?

No, I didn't assume that. Never mentioned it. Union or not the lists will eventually merge. KR described doing so in his presentations.

The IBT does not have a seniority merger policy. Thus, DOH is not the required method. Fair and equitable is the standard.

However, without the IBT, KR will determine how it's done. And how's that working for Flexjet pilots now. The most junior pilots (after CW) are all making more than pilots senior to them. Oh, ya...KR will be fair about it. You know, "Management by Trust."