Flexjet Management Promotes Calling Pilots while in Rest

[gret]

Whew...this is really bad news and should be examined by the highest levels of Obama's administration.

Besides bad grammar, the joker was asking another human to answer the phone! Terrible...who knows what the employee could have been doing on the computer...to disrupt their personal business is downright lame and could lead to...well I'm not sure...but it could have been bad!

 

[BE40Driver]

DW is our operations for Flex and FO CEO. MS is our Sales, marketing, Owner Services, HR, accounting CEO for both companies. If we don't sell we don't fly! We still all work for KR.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Uncle keeps us flying because we make money for him. I used to be one of the "go to" guys. I did repo flights that required a fuel stop. I had no problem doing my share of the work. The 0300 wake-up call to fly and be done at 1000-1200 occasionally wasn't bad. When I requested hotels is when I got the pushback from the company. "You haven't been on duty long enough" doesn't cut it.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

One more item that goes on the change list.

 

[exagony]

FAA Legal Interpretation to Mr. Rogers, September 27, 2010:

"The FAA has consistently interpreted its rest requirements to be (1) continuous, (2) determined prospectively (i.e., known in advance), and (3) free from all restraint from all restraint by the certificate holder, including freedom from work or freedom from present responsibility from work should the occasion arise. See Dec. 19, 2005 Letter to Michael T. Brazill, from Rebecca B. MacPherson, Assistant Chief Counsel, Regulations Division. The obligation to be available for assignment while not on duty is not considered rest because the pilot is not free from all restraint. See Dec. 15, 2005 Letter to Capt. Michael A. Citrano, Jr., from Rebecca B. MacPherson, Assistant Chief Counsel, Regulations Division. The FAA has also determined that a crewmember's rest period is not disturbed by one telephone call from the certificate holder, but if the pilot is obligated to answer that call then he is not at rest. See Nov. 7, 2003 Letter to James W. Johnson, from Donald Byrne, Assistant Chief Counsel, Regulations Division."

So how does the ruling work when they call your cell phone at 3 am and you don't answer, so then they call your hotel room next - seems to me that's 2 phone calls interrupting rest.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

I forgot about the call to your flying partner. Do you know where he is? NO. Its 3am.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

I forgot about the call to your flying partner. Do you know where he is? NO. Its 3am.

They have this great new invention. It's called a cellular telephone. You don't have to know where somebody is to get ahold of them.

Our company is so up on the times that they issue one to every pilot.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

So how does the ruling work when they call your cell phone at 3 am and you don't answer, so then they call your hotel room next - seems to me that's 2 phone calls interrupting rest.

From my experience they call your cell phone. If there is no answer then the go to the next crew they could use.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Let me break it down so you can understand. Dispatch calls one and he doesn't answer. Then they call the other crewmember they are paired with. Now you are awake and the other guy is still sleeping. You can guess how the rest of the day goes.

 

[brokeflyer]

does flex normally just violate part 91k like that all the time?