Flexjet Falls Short

[ProFracPilot]

Why are you so ANTI COMPANY? After all, the company is the reason you get a paycheck!

Safety(?)check-

For those of us at FlOps, it has become "IN SPITE of the company, we still somehow manage to get our paychecks".

 

[Hawkered]

I'm not anti-company.

Do you think the workers at Sago mine were anti-company as they gasped their last breath?

We now have the "government is here to protect us", mentality, when what we need is a national workforce that holds management accountable for their charged level of responsibilty.

An effective union leadership would have shut the Sago mine down before 200+ safety violations were posted.

Oh...I see. You don't think women should get equal pay? You think that twelve year-olds should be forced to leave school and join the workforce? You think that it should be legal to force workers into long hours and high levels of fatigue against their will?

Do you own a sweatshop in Asia, you pathetic commie?

There are Flight Attendants at Flex that don't have health insurance because of idiots like you!

 

[Safetycheck]

Drama with a capital duh

I'm not anti-company.

Do you think the workers at Sago mine were anti-company as they gasped their last breath?

We now have the "government is here to protect us", mentality, when what we need is a national workforce that holds management accountable for their charged level of responsibilty.

An effective union leadership would have shut the Sago mine down before 200+ safety violations were posted.

Oh...I see. You don't think women should get equal pay. You think that twelve year-olds should be forced to leave school and join the workforce. You think that it should be legal to force workers into long hours and high levels of fatigue against their will.

Do you own a sweatshop in Asia, you pathetic commie?

There are Flight Attendants at Flex that don't have health insurance because of idiots like you!

You are a drama queen, Hawkered.

I never said those things.

Hillary, is that you?

 

[Safetycheck]

You gotta problem?

Safety(?)check-

You got a problem with that? Hah tough guy???

 

[Hawkered]

You been sniffing quite enough fumes there Mr Safety....

Hillary, huh, so you're afraid of a woman with a brain and a little ambition?

No, I'm a guy, but smart chicks are a complete turn-on to me and I can still respect them, as well as their politics...in the morning!

 

[Safetycheck]

Are you hawkered

Safety(?)check-

Are you hawkered, cause both of you seem to have the same issue with SAFETY. Whats the problem?

 

[Safetycheck]

Well, if..

You been sniffing quite enough fumes there Mr Safety....

Hillary, huh, so you're afraid of a woman with a brain and a little ambition?

No, I'm a guy, but smart chicks are a complete turn-on to me and I can still respect them, as well as their politics...in the morning!

If smart chicks are a complete turn on to you, then what are you doing on this message board? Go out and find one, and have a good time.

 

[Hawkered]

Sure I'll go square-dancing with her, you wanna come with us grandpa?!

 

[Peter_Griffin]

Uuuhhhh, OK Rick

Give me a freaking break -- what is this love it completly my way or leave BS? Why is it not possible for you to see that some of us are only trying make flex a better place, an awesome career choice not just for a select few but for all of us? If everyone had your attitude, no one would ever get anywhere.

No body is "bad mouthing" anyone. Sometimes the truth hurts my friend. If the company and management had not set these things in to motion first with their attitude and choices, no one would even be talking much less complaining...

It will be hard for me to enjoy my not "really a raise" raise if I'm still having to work 221 to get it you shill. Do the math (although judging by your grammar any academic pursuit might not be reccomended) and you will see the company screwed us, spun us and will continue to do so until we so something about it...

And after all the editing you did after Hawker pointed out your bad grammar I can't believe you still didn't proofread and catch the rest. Are you sure you're even a pilot, cuz you kinda read like a 4th grader trolling on Daddy's account to me.... Or maybe it's just your obvious lack of stones that got me thinking that way...

Grow some and sign your card, but even without you I have a feeling we'll have more than enough. Oh wait, does the CP still get a card?

Freaking ridiculous..... Now you've just pi$$ed me off for no good reason and it was a good night...

To the Flexjet pilots on this board. Some of you seem to think that bad mouthing the company on a public forum is a good idea. All of the foul language and bad attitude only bring the image and morale of this company down. We have a very professional group of people here and you guys are in the minority. If you have an issue, call the office or the CAB and they will be more than happy to talk it over with you. If paying union dues and flying Cessna products is your idea of fun, please due yourself and the company a favor a leave. Given the new payscale at Netjets, they can afford to find quality professional people. That makes you very lucky to have slipped through the cracks here. Enjoy your 20% raise, your pension plan, and please try to act professionally.

 

[Necromonger]

Let me put my sunglasses on.

Sorry, Mr. Griffin, but I have to take my shot at the Brightside too.

To the Flexjet pilots on this board. Some of you seem to think that bad mouthing the company on a public forum is a good idea. All of the foul language and bad attitude only bring the image and morale of this company down. We have a very professional group of people here and you guys are in the minority. If you have an issue, call the office or the CAB and they will be more than happy to talk it over with you. If paying union dues and flying Cessna products is your idea of fun, please due yourself and the company a favor a leave. Given the new payscale at Netjets, they can afford to find quality professional people. That makes you very lucky to have slipped through the cracks here. Enjoy your 20% raise, your pension plan, and please try to act professionally.

OK, Sunshine, let me clue you in.
Morale has been down for several years now. We, Professionals, are not in the minority. We are fighting for a better QOL, moron. Try reading between the lines. We have tried the office and the CAB. They are powerless.
The status quo is no longer acceptable. The bar is a little higher now.
20% raise at your 214.5 day which are still 221 in the real world (and a pension which we already had) doesn't even make it out of the infield. Oh yeah, per diem went from 1.59 to 1.75/hr. (You forgot that one). That $6 a day is the only thing you’ll see Feb1st.

Let’s wait ‘til May and see if we get the rest. Or, we can make sure we see the rest.
TAKE ACTION!

Since you love the way things are, why don’t you volunteer to work all the holidays (at not extra pay). I hear they need a few good “tools” to work some OT.

Oh wait, you office boys already get holiday pay.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Are you hawkered, cause both of you seem to have the same issue with SAFETY. Whats the problem?

Given your propensity for flamebaiting, I'd say you're the antithesis of safety. More like a pyromaniac.

At any rate, off to the ignore list you go. Good bye.

 

[mr brightside]

This is not Rick, just a fellow pilot.

There are lots of people here fighting for QOL. You are in the minority in the way that you go about it. Listening to you talk about professionalism is like listening to Jerry Springer give a lecture about integrity. Your profile refers to your Johnson. If you want changes, make a valid and professional presentation that someone can respect. Don't call a 20% raise a steaming pile. This is a top notch job and on May 1st it will get even better. If you don't agree, leave.

I would rather work 18 days a month with someone who enjoys what they do than sit with you for half of that. People like you will never be satisfied and the rest of us are sick of listening to you. If I were a perspective customer and I read anything on this website, I would buy my own plane and never get on a fractional. The attitude alone would make me run scared. Some of you even try and make it sound like maintenance is compromised, which is nonsense. To anyone reading this: These guys do not represent the vast majority of crews here. Unfortunately, the empty cans happen to rattle the loudest.

 

[netjetwife]

The BS version.........the empty cans happen to rattle the loudest.

My version.......The empty promises happen to rattle the loudest.

Given the number of cards that have been turned in, I think the empty promises
deserve the credit for waking up the pilots. To those who are confused by BS,
I suggest you sleep on it.
NJW

 

[Fozzy]

This is amazing how fast these company tools came out of the woodwork.
We now have many FamilyGuys. They are multiplying. I guess they figured they did not have enough of them on the boards last time, so now they are going to try overwhelming force.
I can only imagine what we are going to see once negiotations start at Flex and Options.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

Uuuuhhhh Whatever Rick....

Mr Brightside --

By the way no one cares if you are or aren't Rick -- it was a joke and a way of pointing out you are just a company stooge. Besides, apart from my disgust with his approval of the contract, I think Rick would show a few more stones and a much thicker skin than you could ever hope for.

Just who exactly is being unprofessional -- look in the mirror dude. You chose to attack Necros's profile instead of any one of a number of salient points raised by numerous people on this board. Then again it's kinda hard to challenge truth and accuracy isn't it?

In fact, one might say it's management's lack of truth and accuracy that has made them so vunerable right now. As for the stuff about prospective customers, you might be right -- time for management to get on the stick and shoot this puppy before it grows to be a rottweiler don't you think? I hope your fellow office boys listen to the one great point you might have...

You are obviously in the minority here. But then again being in the minority opinion of flex pilots in general didn't stop you to begin with. So if everyone follows your logic you should be the one to leave and stop posting. Now do you see how idiotic it is to start playing the my way or the highway game? Keep it coming guy, I'm off all day and can play as long as you want.

As for maintenance I do not recall anyone saying anything about it being compromised. In fact, the top notch equipment has been a reason many people have stated they want to stay and fight this thing out. Now who's making up BS?

This is a group of men (and at least one very tough lady I have no doubt could hog tie us pigs in any good fight) and if you can't be a man, you leave. Don't attack a man based on his admittedly juvenile but also admittedly funny use of intresting descriptors. That's just men dude -- get over it and move on. Are you sure you're not a fourth grader -- you sound like you don't know a lot about the real world. Honest question, really. Now I'm not saying you need to be like him, I'm just saying be a man and attack his point with something that matters. Now Necro I can see your wheels spinning -- leave that last one alone.

Don't worry about having to work with any of us for 18 days -- you office boys only get out for a few days every couple of months anyway. Another part of the problem... Don't get me started.

Yeah we'll see what we get in May when the company uses our unionizing efforts against us to claim they can no longer give us the raise because of federal regs (BS BS BS). Peferctly timed deceit. They are nothing if not clever little dudes. That or they will give it to us anyway with a statment like "our lawyers found a way to help us give this to you despite federal regs -- see you don't need a union, we're there for you" and try to stop the drive.

Now go give Daddy back the computer sweetheart, this is a place for real men (and one tough cookie wife) dear.

This is not Rick, just a fellow pilot.

There are lots of people here fighting for QOL. You are in the minority in the way that you go about it. Listening to you talk about professionalism is like listening to Jerry Springer give a lecture about integrity. Your profile refers to your Johnson. If you want changes, make a valid and professional presentation that someone can respect. Don't call a 20% raise a steaming pile. This is a top notch job and on May 1st it will get even better. If you don't agree, leave.

I would rather work 18 days a month with someone who enjoys what they do than sit with you for half of that. People like you will never be satisfied and the rest of us are sick of listening to you. If I were a perspective customer and I read anything on this website, I would buy my own plane and never get on a fractional. The attitude alone would make me run scared. Some of you even try and make it sound like maintenance is compromised, which is nonsense. To anyone reading this: These guys do not represent the vast majority of crews here. Unfortunately, the empty cans happen to rattle the loudest.