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[doh]

On a serious note, is the FLOPS company wide meeting today or tomorrow? Will one of you please post an update? Thank you!

 

[C604Pilot]

I believe it's today at 2pm and our VP of Ops will attend.

 

[jetmaster727]

I believe it's today at 2pm and our VP of Ops will attend.

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[jetwash]

Just a quick run down of the meeting.

Will have two store front operations but behind the all will be intergrated.
All flying will be done on Flight Options certificate so as to cut out business jet solutions.
flex aircraft will be painted to look a little more like Flight Options
All pilots will come together to form one big happy family like the Brady Bunch.
The Brady bunch will then vote to keep the union, or live like Woody Alen and Mia Farrows children. ( which include the late night visits to your room)

He was even able to slip in some Bull $hit such as giving the reason why the Flops employees don't have their 401k match back is because the pilots union bagained it away from all the employees.


So as you can see nothing has changed.

 

[Dingo221]

Correct, I forgot about the 401K!
Bad bad bad union contract, this is why we do not have our 401K, you have to love this statement.

 

[fugazi]

Now that we are merging pilot groups, It would be nice to ditch IBT and start an in house union. Either way, my vote is YES!

 

[exagony]

All the anti-union cool aide drinkers are in for a shocking wake up...

 

[fugazi]

All the anti-union cool aide drinkers are in for a shocking wake up...

I will concede that everything you guys have told us has come to fruition. Hopefully, all the lies that have been told to us repeatedly will be enough to convince enough of the combined pilots to hold representation.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Now that we are merging pilot groups, It would be nice to ditch IBT and start an in house union. Either way, my vote is YES!

Not enough folks unless NJ's lets us join theirs.

 

[shanes123]

How many pilots does flex have?

 

[doh]

How many pilots does flex have?

325 or thereabouts.

 

[jetwash]

Now that we are merging pilot groups, It would be nice to ditch IBT and start an in house union. Either way, my vote is YES!

You don't have to worry about that, KR already has his group of former managers and a$$ kissers working on that.
They are trying to get the IBT out and bring in a more management friendly "union", who the company will give free office space to in CGF.
They have a "secret" money donor who will fund their cause and in return he asks nothing from them.

The whole group is a joke and pilots such as myself who don't care much for the IBT feel that they are a bigger danger to our future then staying with what we got. Maybe later when all of this confusion of merging is done and the first unified contract comes out we can make changes if they are needed.

 

[fugazi]

You don't have to worry about that, KR already has his group of former managers and a$$ kissers working on that.
They are trying to get the IBT out and bring in a more management friendly "union", who the company will give free office space to in CGF.
They have a "secret" money donor who will fund their cause and in return he asks nothing from them.

The whole group is a joke and pilots such as myself who don't care much for the IBT feel that they are a bigger danger to our future then staying with what we got. Maybe later when all of this confusion of merging is done and the first unified contract comes out we can make changes if they are needed.

Wow, he really is a master at manipulation. The good news is that this merger (lists)is starting to sink in with the flex pilot group and I bet some are starting to change their mind about how they will vote.

 

[shanes123]

Just step back flex pilots and retread some old emails from KR on the purchase of flex...then ask yourself if any of it was true? Not one thing he said has been truthful. Wait til you start taking orders from JK BR TM.. The lowest time most inexperienced pilot at flops is the chief pilot. Why you think that is???? Ask around get facts.. Not opinions... You have union haters and union lovers. But at the end of the day you need to ask yourself if giving up the protection of even a bad contract is worth putting up with those nazis!!!! And having no work rules.

 

[japhy]

I haven't been a big fan of unions after my experiences in the airlines, but after being forced to sign that agreement letter, and the fact that nothing he or our management has told us has been truthfull, I have started thinking that since Kenn seems to think he needs legal protection from us that I just might need protection from him.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Finally some rational thought. None of us were blowing smoke up your a$$*s. We know his M.O. after dealing with this bs for fifteen years. Kenn is a pilot exploiter to the T. You think 145 for a global captain living in TEB on a pager is worthwhile? It's what he thinks your worth. STMFD, we are flying the richest people on the planet around for a penance of a pilots salary. Stand tall and join us and send this mother F*$&*$&cker packing! The union ruined the 401k match for the entire employee group? Really Kenn? That is as laughable as all the customers you pissed off tagging us as the value brand. Just don't freak out and send a message to the ****************************** bag that the cost of doing business is paying your pilots a professional salary for the sacrifice and professional services rendered. Nuff said

 

[993_Pilot]

I haven't been a big fan of unions after my experiences in the airlines, but after being forced to sign that agreement letter, and the fact that nothing he or our management has told us has been truthfull, I have started thinking that since Kenn seems to think he needs legal protection from us that I just might need protection from him.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner! You are only just beginning to see what the Flops group has known for years. It is easy to be emotionally charged when you've been bent over for years, so some Flops pilots here on FI might be less than subtle how they convey those things, but that doesn't make them any less true.

After you guys go to dedicated crewing on specific aircraft tail numbers, do you think that your current schedule bid system will remain? Are you ready for 8 days on, 7 days off?

Brace for more changes, because without a contract, they will be coming.

(Pssssst, the light you see at the end of the tunnel is a freight train.)

 

[fugazi]

Winner, winner, chicken dinner! You are only just beginning to see what the Flops group has known for years. It is easy to be emotionally charged when you've been bent over for years, so some Flops pilots here on FI might be less than subtle how they convey those things, but that doesn't make them any less true.

After you guys go to dedicated crewing on specific aircraft tail numbers, do you think that your current schedule bid system will remain? Are you ready for 8 days on, 7 days off?

Brace for more changes, because without a contract, they will be coming.

(Pssssst, the light you see at the end of the tunnel is a freight train.)

The going consensus at flex was "Why would DAC buy a company, who is doing so well, then, change everything for the worse; I don't see them changing pay or the schedule. That would kill morale and, ultimately everything Deanna has guided us toward; Why would Ricci want us to be like FLOps, angry, I don't see it happening." I have heard that they are changing the schedule to what you've mentioned in the near future. The schedule is the most coveted QOL perk of working at flex(at least for me).

 

[doh]

Schedule is king for me too fugazi.

 

[Fresh Air]

A similar question could be asked about DAC and Flight Options: Why would they run a company so as to demoralize the pilot group with starvation pay, no retirement, cheap hotels, etc? Pretty much everything but the meal plan here is bottom of the barrel.

The answer seems to be that it doesn't matter. We still turn a good profit for DAC, which they use to support the other businesses in their portfolio. And as long as they have a stack of resumes a foot tall for every pilot position, they have no reason to change it. The Union is good for protecting what little we have, but the crippling restraints imposed by the RLA make it very difficult to make forward progress.

That business model works for them here at the Options storefront, why would they not try to implement it with the Flex storefront?

 

[fugazi]

A similar question could be asked about DAC and Flight Options: Why would they run a company so as to demoralize the pilot group with starvation pay, no retirement, cheap hotels, etc? Pretty much everything but the meal plan here is bottom of the barrel.

The answer seems to be that it doesn't matter. We still turn a good profit for DAC, which they use to support the other businesses in their portfolio. And as long as they have a stack of resumes a foot tall for every pilot position, they have no reason to change it. The Union is good for protecting what little we have, but the crippling restraints imposed by the RLA make it very difficult to make forward progress.

That business model works for them here at the Options storefront, why would they not try to implement it with the Flex storefront?

Of corse they would, and they are..Seems like an awesome company. Proud to be part of the DAC team.

 

[chief9404]

The going consensus at flex was "Why would DAC buy a company, who is doing so well, then, change everything for the worse; I don't see them changing pay or the schedule. That would kill morale and, ultimately everything Deanna has guided us toward; Why would Ricci want us to be like FLOps, angry, I don't see it happening." I have heard that they are changing the schedule to what you've mentioned in the near future. The schedule is the most coveted QOL perk of working at flex(at least for me).

They will do it slowly. Ask any TA pilot what was promised and what was reality.

 

[fugazi]

They will do it slowly. Ask any TA pilot what was promised and what was reality.

Ask any FlexJet pilot..what was promised and what IS reality.

 

[chief9404]

Ask any FlexJet pilot..what was promised and what IS reality.

If I recall, not so long ago you were in denial that DAC was taking over Flex. Do you remember?

I'm sure your looking forward to K.R. putting a 5th stripe on your epelets.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

The going consensus at flex was "Why would DAC buy a company, who is doing so well, then, change everything for the worse; I don't see them changing pay or the schedule. That would kill morale and, ultimately everything Deanna has guided us toward…”

In December, I posted: “You’re thinking straight-line, as in “confront a problem head-on”. But we’re outside the cockpit and the issues we face are non-linear.” What does this mean? It means that we do not know all the reasons he may or may not have for his actions. Responsibly, we have to consider both optimistic & subversive intentions.

Now that we are merging pilot groups, It would be nice to ditch IBT and start an in house union. Either way, my vote is YES!

There are several other posts which explain in detail how & why an in-house union is simply not feasible, even with the numbers both pilot groups bring together. That said, I am glad for your yes vote.

There are some that routinely vilify the Teamsters & use them as a scapegoat for whatever problems we confront. Others use the Teamsters as an excuse not to support the Union. But the same can be said for ALPA. From reading the airline threads, ALPA appears to be much more involved in the day to day operations. That could be because many of the airlines are represented by ALPA & because of the dynamics of scope, code-sharing, contract negotiations, and mergers, have to remain involved. At Options, maybe 99% of the day to day work is done by the pilots themselves & not the Teamsters. Where a National presence becomes essential is during a union drive, grievances, and major policy changes.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

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Another entry for your journal: February 11, 2014. Uncle reverses separate company initiative, announces merged ops.

Even though Uncle has been proclaiming separate ops, every Options pilot here - even the rather unstable ones - made this call correctly. That's the first point I want to make: All the Options pilots on this site have experience working with Uncle. We've played this game before.

By itself, the announcement is significant. But note that this change is not simply a policy adjustment - it's a complete reversal of all the hype and announcements made the previous four months.

This is the big message we're trying to get across: One day, policy is one way. After one meeting or after one mass email, the policy is completely reversed.

 

[fugazi]

If I recall, not so long ago you were in denial that DAC was taking over Flex. Do you remember?

I'm sure your looking forward to K.R. putting a 5th stripe on your epelets.

Indeed, I was in Denial..right now, I'm in the bargaining phase. Up next, Depression.

 

[exagony]

Wonder if its too late for the Flex guys to file for representation...

 

[slowtation capt]

but after being forced to sign that agreement letter

What letter was that?

Just think, if Kenn want's you to sign something, but he doesn't want to sign something, something ain't right.

 

[Club ORD FO]

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