Flex Jet read file

[DirtyBeech]

Just read the tea leaves dude. They're busting their aces to control the narrative, and doing pretty poorly at it if anyone pays attention, but the merge is coming.

The words " to the public we will remain separate..." were used today by Flex mgt. We're sharing management now. It's not a sharing of best practices in a vacuum as some would have you believe.

My personal belief is that time is needed to streamline the transition and merge the head sheds into one group, and probably one location, while KR, DG and company do their best to break the Flops union. The Flex benefits package, or some reduced version thereof, will be the carrot offered. The whole storefront thing sounds interesting, but Flex mgt, and I'm sure anyone else who's ever worked with KR, will tell you that his decision making is highly volatile and is prone to shift rapidly over short time frames.

 

[Propilot77]

Was this something Silvestro said personally to you? Or was it on some announcement that I never listen to or care to read when they put them out?

Does it really matter? They will be combined. Notice the recent changes in management structure and you will see the future. It was said by Silvestro...bottom line is Flex management has been out of the loop during much of this process or has failed to tell us the truth you decide.

 

[shanes123]

read my past posts..I said all of this from the start..But I'm a idiot

 

[notapilot]

We've all known this from the start. It's not what makes you "AN" idiot or an illiterate.

 

[doh]

read my past posts..I said all of this from the start..But I'm a idiot

That is not why you are "a" idiot. You insult, marginalize and alienate those you would convince of your position. That is why you are an idiot.

 

[doh]

Nota, there isn't enough time to deal with that level of illiteracy...

 

[gret]

Why would management want to throw out the union? Based on the comments, it sounds like they have a pretty good deal with the union in place.

Shouldn't those that are unhappy being addressing their ire at the leaders of the union who talked everyone into the contract? Seems that Ken agreed to what the employees wanted...now they have it and they still aren't happy. What's a guy suppose to do?

 

[SDCFI]

Two questions: 1) If a merger is dependent on FO getting rid of the union what happens if they don't? If we assume the carrot will be an increase in pay/benefits to match FJ then KR can't cry poor when it's time to neg a new contract. If they have the means to increase compensation as a combined carrier they have the means to do it as separate ones.

2) If KR is so hell bent on breaking the FO union; has he considered that by combining FO pilots who are (I'm guessing) mostly pro union with a FJ pilot group that is becoming more and more pro union it's a good probability a new union of combined pilot groups will result? If he wants a whipsaw then combining the two groups doesn't seem like the best way to go about it.

 

[shanes123]

That is not why you are "a" idiot. You insult, marginalize and alienate those you would convince of your position. That is why you are an idiot.

When we taking that walk. ???!

 

[gret]

Really...a professional pilot comes off like this?

 

[GooseHZ]

Shane is far from a professional.....he's a very very lost soul.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

You guys did do a good job of pushing his buttons. He is probably under a lot of stress. It would be a nice gift to him to cut him a break.

Enjoy the holidays with your family and friends.

 

[doh]

I'm taking a break from him.

 

[shanes123]

I'm taking a break from him.

Really. You threaten me in a prior post then when I call you out your taking a break from me you coward! You hide behind this message board. But when I call you out you hide like a scared little bitch that you are. Done wasting my time with you DOH your dog ******************** on my shoe.

 

[BE40Driver]

Shanes, Glad you no longer work for Options as you need to get a life and move on!

 

[doh]

Not hiding from you at all. This is just pointless. Taking a break from that.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

doh
just remember it is the holiday season and some of these guys have taken a big hit. Imagine being in your 40's and still living with your wife and kids in your parents basement. I'll buy him a double. Make that a fifth.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Happy new years! New years resolution for this old dog, death to the slave machine that is Flight Options. Stand tall, stand united and send Ricci and company packing, thats my resolution.

 

[OHGOON]

Why would management want to throw out the union? Based on the comments, it sounds like they have a pretty good deal with the union in place.

Shouldn't those that are unhappy being addressing their ire at the leaders of the union who talked everyone into the contract? Seems that Ken agreed to what the employees wanted...now they have it and they still aren't happy. What's a guy suppose to do?

Facts and historical context seem not really to be your strong suit, but the statement above is so dumb it's surprising, even for you. We know you're reflexively anti-union but do you have to be willfully ignorant to remain so?

It's a fact that Flops got their contract in the depth of the aftermath of the 08 Financial collapse. Given that prior to, they were the worst paid and most abused pilot group in the Frac world, their contract was a vast improvement and considering what they were up against, a borderline miracle.

FLOPS pay scales indeed remained substandard compared with NJ so called industry standard (negotiated during the height of the gogo years), but everything else in their CBA is a thing of beauty and in some ways even exceeds some of what NJ's CBA guarantees.

Ricci never agreed to what the pilots really wanted and the Union leadership never sold this contract as the end all be all. In fact, historically a first time CBA is always a building block from which things will be improved upon over time. Ricci therefore really wants to get rid of the Union at FLOPS because he knows that when the two operations finally merge he will have to deal with a much larger unionized pilot group which will cost him not just more money but absolute control over his new baby. CEOs, usually being Type A control freaks, really hate to be restricted in any way, especially when it comes from people they deem to be beneath them.

Hope I cleared up your misconception that Ricci loves having a Union in place.

 

[gret]

Facts and historical context seem not really to be your strong suit, but the statement above is so dumb it's surprising, even for you. We know you're reflexively anti-union but do you have to be willfully ignorant to remain so?

It's a fact that Flops got their contract in the depth of the aftermath of the 08 Financial collapse. Given that prior to, they were the worst paid and most abused pilot group in the Frac world, their contract was a vast improvement and considering what they were up against, a borderline miracle.

FLOPS pay scales indeed remained substandard compared with NJ so called industry standard (negotiated during the height of the gogo years), but everything else in their CBA is a thing of beauty and in some ways even exceeds some of what NJ's CBA guarantees.

Ricci never agreed to what the pilots really wanted and the Union leadership never sold this contract as the end all be all. In fact, historically a first time CBA is always a building block from which things will be improved upon over time. Ricci therefore really wants to get rid of the Union at FLOPS because he knows that when the two operations finally merge he will have to deal with a much larger unionized pilot group which will cost him not just more money but absolute control over his new baby. CEOs, usually being Type A control freaks, really hate to be restricted in any way, especially when it comes from people they deem to be beneath them.

Hope I cleared up your misconception that Ricci loves having a Union in place.

OHGOON...great to hear from you...but a personal shot so early in the year? Hope you and yours had some good holidays and best wishes for the New Year!

My post is a bit old...December 20th I believe...not sure why you waited until now to bring it up. I stand by what was posted...can't blame management if the union leadership fell down on the job...the members voted them in...voted on the contract...and if they don't like what they bargained for, deal with it the next time. It's not management's fault.

Did a little research on the phrase "reflexively anti-union"...cute cliche that appears to have originated by interesting souls who use it whenever they don't have substantive ammo to fire when faced with crisp, clear, and irrefutable facts that support a position that is contrary to theirs.