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Contract question: if the Globals are on FLOPS certificate, does your contract require they be crewed by FLOPS seniority list pilots?
 
doh said:
And do you really not see that we have incentivized the rewards while socializing the risk? Has that pay back with interest resulted in a lower debt or deficit for the taxpayer?
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No, It most certainly did not result in a lower debt or deficit, because our government can't stop spending. The 800 Billion dollar emergency bank bail out added to the debt, but it's funny how when that money came back with interest, the debt somehow did not go back down.:mad: These clowns in Washington spend money like drunken sailors in a whore house. I suppose that's the bank's fault too? Maybe it went to pay for the extended unemployment benefits which I think was appropriate even though you don't acknowledge was help for the little guy.

I'm not at all in support of government supporting private industry. This was a unique situation, and it did as much good for America as it did for the banks. You and I disagree a little on the cause of the problem. You seem to think it was entirely the big bad bankers. They certainly played their part, but I think the pandering politicians, hamstrung regulators, greedy GSE's, unqualified and or dishonest consumers, and most of all, the real estate speculators who drove home prices out of site thereby creating a massive bubble, all equally share the blame. The banks promised to give people money, and they held up their end of the bargain. When the bubble popped, those who didn't live up to their end of the bargain either because they couldn't or often simply because they chose not to, do not deserve the free pass you are determined to give them.
 
X-rated said:
No, It most certainly did not result in a lower debt or deficit, because our government can't stop spending. The 800 Billion dollar emergency bank bail out added to the debt, but it's funny how when that money came back with interest, the debt somehow did not go back down.:mad: These clowns in Washington spend money like drunken sailors in a whore house.
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I think you should apologize. Comparing them to congress was an insult to drunken sailors everywhere.
 
Reread what I wrote. Government and the banks are to blame, in equal measure.
 
Now back to my question about the contract. Enough thread hijack.
 
doh said:
Now back to my question about the contract. Enough thread hijack.
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It depends on how the relationship is set up. When that is clear then we will know.

FYI: the union already gave the go ahead for options pilots to apply for the Global positions as long as the Company approves their LOA request. They will then have the ability to come back and keep their senority number if they want to.
From what I hear not too many are interested in the positions.
 
jetwash said:
FYI: the union already gave the go ahead for options pilots to apply for the Global positions as long as the Company approves their LOA request. They will then have the ability to come back and keep their senority number if they want to.

From what I hear not too many are interested in the positions.
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The contract specifically limits a "personal leave of absence" to 12 months (Sec 16.2). Seat lock for the International Partner program is 24 months. It also states in Sec 16.1(j) that the pilot may not engage in any business or employment as a pilot, or any other business that directly competes with the company.

I see no conflicts here. Carry on.
 
Predictions for Feb 11th meeting. I sincerely hope uncle Kenny has a good rebuttal for the lack of 401k match. Phenoms going to Flex, Ops moving to Dallas. Midsize cabin emaciated. 30+ flops pilots retired in last 2 years with no recalls. Stacking the deck for a decert vote? Just my humble opinion but I would say so. For all you flex folks just getting to know Kenn, he will jeopardize whats left of flops and flex just to get rid of this union! Mark my words.
 
If they can "bespoke" a Phenom then yes, we're getting them. They've talked openly about wanting a cheap entry level plane, and the Phenom is half the price of a 40.

The more pertinent question is what will the payscale be, and how will the seniority integration be accomplished. I.e., I'd expect a lower scale that would appeal to the Flops pilots and not to the Flex FO's, and it wouldn't matter anyway as the Flex FO's are probably about to get juniorized something fierce.
 
I was confused ..
....Your saying if they combine pilot groups.
 
When they combine pilot groups.
 
Some of us will want our right arms back.
 
So when will we find out who won the "Beauty Contest" for the global manager?
 
SDCFI said:
But Rick says we're not merging and nothing will happen that we don't want to happen. Yeah. He said that.
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The pilot groups won't merge. Everything else will merge, trips will be flown interchangeably, but the sham of two separate companies will continue just to keep the union quarantined. And you can bet any growth will be on the non-union labor side.

But don't worry, KR has a very established pattern. After a few years of cutting costs to make the earnings numbers look good, and the economy is in a recovery period, he'll sell to some suckers at an inflated multiple. Just ask Macquarie. So if you have a high enough pain tolerance and don't mind substandard pay, you may outlast him.

Those are my predictions, anyway, but what the hell do I know.
 
The key term is "non union side". Not "Flexjet side". Because farming out the Globals in this convoluted manner is not good for anyone.
 
doh said:
The key term is "non union side". Not "Flexjet side". Because farming out the Globals in this convoluted manner is not good for anyone.
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Did anyone ever explain how it will be possible for a current Flexjet pilot (assuming one is hired) to fly the Globals that are being operated on the FO cert? Won't they have to do a 135 indoc and be an employee or agent of the cert holder and how does the contract allow for this?

I would assume (I know) that part of KR's grand plan is to have a fleet of Globals in the fractional program down the road and the natural fit would be Flexjet. This Frankenstein's Monster of an operation is just to get the proverbial foot in the door of long haul flying for DAC.
 
There are several "Partner Program" aircraft already on Flight Options certificate that already do Flight Options trips. The Globals will be in the Partner Program (aka the Sec 1 Loophole, that as someone already commented is big enough to fly a pair of Globals through). And yes, pilots flying those airplanes will be required to go through Flight Options 135 indoc.
 
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There are several "Partner Program" aircraft already on Flight Options certificate that already do Flight Options trips. The Globals will be in the Partner Program (aka the Sec 1 Loophole, that as someone already commented is big enough to fly a pair of Globals through). And yes, pilots flying those airplanes will be required to go through Flight Options 135 indoc.
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Do you know this for sure? I heard Jet Solutions was going to manage the Globals.
 
Doh

Rumor around the water cooler is you applied for this "Nightmare."

So will we be hearing your name on Thursday as one of KRs new inner circle grunts?
 
C604Pilot said:
Doh

Rumor around the water cooler is you applied for this "Nightmare."

So will we be hearing your name on Thursday as one of KRs new inner circle grunts?
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Really? That is a rumor? Awesome!! Yes, we just bought a home in DFW and my wife gets to work at home full time, but we decided to uproot to New York where she can drive to work every day. Also, we think it's a fantastic idea to quadruple our living expenses on the same income. So sure, why not? :laugh:
 

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