Fastest Business Airplane

[GEXDriver]

And, so you don't have to get out the Almanac, the winds in March are about half the winds in Nov. You guys are funny. It drives you crazy that a little tin Cessna product cruises faster than the mighty, super clean, aerodynamically superior-to-every-man-made-object-that-will-ever-be-built Gulfstream.

You need to think before you type. The lower the winds, the more it benefits the Citation X on a Westbound trip. The X can't run the 2135 nm from Teterboro to Van Nuys at Mach 0.92 against typical Westerly winds at any time of the year, but the lower the winds, the faster it can cruise on that trip. The G550 can run nearly 5,000 nm at .88 Mach so wind speeds don't really matter to the G.

 

[banned username 2]

http://www.avtechgroup.com/events.asp?sub=pressreleases

But they haven't gotten it above something like 250 kts yet...

And again, what kind of true Business Plane is limited to carrying one passenger (per design)?

 

[want2fly]

But they haven't gotten it above something like 250 kts yet...

And again, what kind of true Business Plane is limited to carrying one passenger (per design)?

What does 250 kts have to do with the landing gear? If the business only needs to transport one or two people, they can use this as their business plane. You all are just jealous that this thing will do .98 and pass your slow GV's!

 

[banned username 2]

What does 250 kts have to do with the landing gear? If the business only needs to transport one or two people, they can use this as their business plane. You all are just jealous that this thing will do .98 and pass your slow GV's!

Yawn... We'll wave as your stop for fuel... As we are eating our filet mignon and getting up to use one of the 2 lavs on board...

 

[want2fly]

Yawn... We'll wave as your stop for fuel... As we are eating our filet mignon and getting up to use one of the 2 lavs on board...

and then we'll wave back to you as we climb past you doing 12,000 ft per min and pass you doing rolls, loops and lots of other fun things you cant do in your GV

 

[banned username 2]

and then we'll wave back to you as we climb past you doing 12,000 ft per min and pass you doing rolls, loops and lots of other fun things you cant do in your GV

So how much actual flight time do you have in the Javelin???

 

[G100driver]

and then we'll wave back to you as we climb past you doing 12,000 ft per min and pass you doing rolls, loops and lots of other fun things you cant do in your GV

BTW ... what is the pay and QOL on this 1 pax corporate jet?

Not exacltly and an apples comparison

 

[want2fly]

So how much actual flight time do you have in the Javelin???

about 500 hrs

 

[want2fly]

BTW ... what is the pay and QOL on this 1 pax corporate jet?

Not exacltly and an apples comparison

work 8 days a month and a salary of $300,000 a year. QOL isn't too bad, 2 on 6 off but the 2 days I work I have to be available within 5 hrs of notification so that kind of sucks. other than that can't really complain.

 

[Dizel8]

The Javelin while cute and probably a riot to fly is more of a toy than a business jet. Heck, why not just contact Thornton Aircraft and buy a T-38 or an F-5, both are available: http://www.thorntonaircraft.com/body/body.cfm?page_name=mil

Or you could get in touch with the russians, sure they would sell you a Mig-29 or a SU-27, you could even slum it and get a nice Mig 25 or a 21.

All of those are faster, although still limited to Mach.99 over land.

The Javelin may indeed sell in a few numbers, but seriously doubt it will even sell more than a CJ-1.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[NJA Capt]

The lower the winds, the more it benefits the Citation X on a Westbound trip.....the lower the winds, the faster it can cruise on that trip.

Hence my point. It isn't an equitable comparison. It is a matter of semantics and it doesn't really matter. Now what I'd like to see is if both planes (OK the GEX too) could do it on the same fuel load? Could a GV make it TEB-LAX on 13000# ?? Amusing idea anyway.

The X can't run the 2135 nm from Teterboro to Van Nuys at Mach 0.92

And you told me to think before I typed :laugh:
Wanna know a secret? Sometimes it can't even do it non-stop.

Maybe we should all bow to the Piaggio:
Sub-class : C-1 (Landplanes)
Group 2 : turboprop
San Diego, CA (USA) - Charleston, SC (USA) : 880.01 km/h
Date of flight: 06/02/2003
Pilot: Joseph J. RITCHIE (USA)
Crew: Steve FOSSETT
Aircraft:
Piaggio P-180 Avanti (2 Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6-A, 850 shp each)
Registered 'N17PA'

Or maybe Mr Fossett again in the C750:

Class C (Aeroplanes)
Sub-class C-1 (Landplanes)
Group 3 : turbo-jet
Speed over a recognised course : 981.44 km/h
Date of flight: 23/03/2000
Pilot: Steve FOSSETT (USA)
Crew: Darrin L. ADKINS
Course/place: Los Angeles, CA (USA) - Honolulu, HI (USA)
Aircraft: Cessna 750 Citation X (2 Rolls-Royce AE3007C, 6442 lbs each)
Registered 'N377SF'

Class C (Aeroplanes)
Sub-class C-1 (Landplanes)
Group 3 : turbo-jet
Speed over a recognised course : 1 115.51 km/h
Date of flight: 06/04/2000
Pilot: Steve FOSSETT (USA)
Crew: Darrin L. ADKINS
Course/place: San Francisco, CA (USA) - New York, NY (USA)
Aircraft: Cessna 750 Citation X (2 Rolls-Royce AE 3007C, 6442 lbs each)
Registered 'N377SF'

http://records.fai.org/general_aviation/aircraft.asp?id=643

 

[NJA Capt]

and then we'll wave back to you as we climb past you doing 12,000 ft per min and pass you....

Reminds me of the flights British Airways did with the Concorde and a 747. The Concorde crossed the Atlantic twice (with over an hour on the ground in between) and still landed :20 min ahead of the 747. I'm sure the 747 crew thought it was great to have a hot meal and a bathroom too.

(Javelin fan)

 

[banned username 2]

Now what I'd like to see is if both planes (OK the GEX too) could do it on the same fuel load? Could a GV make it TEB-LAX on 13000# ?? Amusing idea anyway.

Kinda like saying can the C-X do it with 16 passengers AND a flight attendant on board?

 

[G100driver]

work 8 days a month and a salary of $300,000 a year. QOL isn't too bad, 2 on 6 off but the 2 days I work I have to be available within 5 hrs of notification so that kind of sucks. other than that can't really complain.

Assuming that all is true (this is the web yea know ) sounds like a great gig! :beer:

Are you mostly doing demos or a test pilot?

Salary sounds more like sales though.

 

[banned username 2]

and then we'll wave back to you as we climb past you doing 12,000 ft per min and pass you doing rolls, loops and lots of other fun things you cant do in your GV

Well since you want to play, lets take a look at some number, shall we?

Certified Ceiling:
Javelin: 45,000 ft
G-V/G-550: 51,000 ft
(Not sure we would even be able to see the little Javelin a full nautical mile below us... So much for climbing above us!)

Cruise Speed:
Javelin: Mach 0.90 (advertise but yet to be achieved)
G-550: Mach 0.87 (demonstrated daily)

Range:
Javelin: 1,220 NM (at Mach 0.80)
G-550: 5,000 NM (at Mach 0.87), 6,000 NM (at Mach 0.85), 6,750 NM (at Mach 0.80 w/ 8 passengers & 4 crew)

Non-Stop Endurance:
Javelin: 3.5 hours
G-550: 14.7 hours

Cabin Pressure Differential:
Javelin: 8.3 psid (about an 8,000 ft cabin at 45,000 ft)
G-550: 10.17 psid (6,000 ft cabin at 51,000 ft)

Certification:
Javelin: Experiental
G-V: FAR 25 since 1997

You are comparing apples to oranges...

 

[banned username 2]

Assuming that all is true (this is the web yea know ) sounds like a great gig! :beer:

Are you mostly doing demos or a test pilot?

Salary sounds more like sales though.

It's called neither...

He has 0 hours in the Javelin...

want2fly
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 128
Civ/Mil: Civilian
A/C Flown: B-200, A36
Ratings: commercial multi inst.
Total Time: .
Posts: 128

 

[want2fly]

Well since you want to play, lets take a look at some number, shall we?

Certified Ceiling:
Javelin: 45,000 ft
G-V/G-550: 51,000 ft
(Not sure we would even be able to see the little Javelin a full nautical mile below us... So much for climbing above us!)

Cruise Speed:
Javelin: Mach 0.90 (advertise but yet to be achieved)
G-550: Mach 0.87 (demonstrated daily)

Range:
Javelin: 1,220 NM (at Mach 0.80)
G-550: 5,000 NM (at Mach 0.87), 6,000 NM (at Mach 0.85), 6,750 NM (at Mach 0.80 w/ 8 passengers & 4 crew)

Non-Stop Endurance:
Javelin: 3.5 hours
G-550: 14.7 hours

Cabin Pressure Differential:
Javelin: 8.3 psid (about an 8,000 ft cabin at 45,000 ft)
G-550: 10.17 psid (6,000 ft cabin at 51,000 ft)

Certification:
Javelin: Experiental
G-V: FAR 25 since 1997

You are comparing apples to oranges...

Fun Factor (on a scale of 1-10):
G-V: 4 maybe 5
Javelin: 11

 

[want2fly]

It's called neither...

He has 0 hours in the Javelin...

want2fly
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 128
Civ/Mil: Civilian
A/C Flown: B-200, A36
Ratings: commercial multi inst.
Total Time: .
Posts: 128

Believe me there are many airplanes I've flown that are not on my pro. Just because it's not listed doesn't mean I dont have time in it. If it makes you feel better, I'll update it for you.

 

[mobie]

So far the Javelin has logged 1hr 30min
​

 

[GVFlyer]

You guys are funny. It drives you crazy that a little tin Cessna product cruises faster than the mighty, super clean, aerodynamically superior-to-every-man-made-object-that-will-ever-be-built Gulfstream.

I think you'll find that Gulfstream set that record on a demo flight in March 2000 in answer to an ad campaign Cessna launched the previous month claiming to have the fastest business jet. Prior to that the Citation X wasn't on Gulfstream's radar.

Now what I'd like to see is if both planes (OK the GEX too) could do it on the same fuel load? Could a GV make it TEB-LAX on 13000# ?? Amusing idea anyway.

I just ran a flight plan fron TEB to VNY. Today I would burn 13,512 lbs going initially to FL470 then stepping up to FL490 at 61,000 lbs of aircraft weight.

GV