Fastest Business Airplane

[NJA Capt]

We often have the same- X's may have a high TAS but we catch up on the descent with our 350+ KIAS

Just to play devil's advocate:A majority of our descents/STARS are speed restricted because of the traffic we are following.

...10 mins difference on a 600nm trip. Who cares????

Man, I wish I could get a trip with 3 digit mileage. For 600 miles I hope they wouldn't buy a CX or a GIV/G. Time is money, that is why people buy biz jets in the first place. To many of our owners the extra :30 min to an hour on a coast to coast flight are big deal.

This week I took off 5 min behind a company GIV on the same route (3+ hours). At the end of the first hour we were 25+ miles from of him (and he got a shortcut).

 

[gunfyter]

Hmmm.... Took off HTO to VNY 10 minutes after a G-IV. Was in the crew van on way to hotel when I saw them taxi onto the ramp.

Faster usually just means they can add another leg.

But the really important question is which pays more?

 

[GEXDriver]

This week I took off 5 min behind a company GIV on the same route (3+ hours). At the end of the first hour we were 25+ miles from of him (and he got a shortcut).

The GIV cruises at M 0.80. The GV cruises at M 0.85. Both are still in production. The Citation X is a failed product (primarily due to reliability issues and the small dark cabin) that has gone out of production with no follow-on announced.

 

[GVFlyer]

Man, I wish I could get a trip with 3 digit mileage. For 600 miles I hope they wouldn't buy a CX or a GIV/G. Time is money, that is why people buy biz jets in the first place. To many of our owners the extra :30 min to an hour on a coast to coast flight are big deal.

Maybe going East. Going West is another story.

This is from the current FAI World Record Book for speed over a recognized course between New York and Los Angeles. The Citation has the record for speed in it's class, but not overall - that belongs to the Gulfstream. Just so you don't have to get out your calculator, the GV averaged 535 MPH from New York to Los Angeles in the factory demonstrator; the Citation was over 26 MPH slower.

Teterboro, NJ (USA) - Van Nuys, CA (USA) : 819.39 km/h
Speed over a recognised course
Benjamin M. BUDZOWSKI (USA), Mark O. SCHLEGEL
11/05/1995 Aircraft:
Cessna 750 Citation X
Registration: N752CX
Engines: 2 x Allison GMA 3007C, 6 000 lb each

Teterboro, NJ (USA) - Van Nuys, CA (USA) : 861.98 km/h
Speed over a recognised course
Tom OWENS (USA), Christian M. KENNEDY
03/07/2000 Aircraft:
Gulfstream Aerospace G-V
Registration: N5GA
Engines: 2 X BMW Rolls-Royce BR710, 14.750 lbs each

Keep in mind that this record was achieved in a GV and has stood for six years; the G550 has 6% more equivalent thrust, is aerodynamically cleaner and easily flys 5,000 nm at Mach 0.87.


GV

 

[421Driver]

So do you think we can start working on getting a "Stripper Poleimp: " STC on my G550. I mean if Gulfstream doesn't think they can install a couple of "stripper polesimp: " into custom my blue velvet interior:bomb: , I'll just have to start talking to Bombardier .

I'm thinking 3 stripper poles, one up front by the door, one in back, and a "main stage" in the middle. :laugh:

There's a G that comes into PTK with a pole and shag carpet in the back. I think it's a GIII.

 

[NJA Capt]

11/05/1995 Aircraft:Cessna 750 Citation X

03/07/2000 Aircraft:Gulfstream Aerospace G-V

And, so you don't have to get out the Almanac, the winds in March are about half the winds in Nov. You guys are funny. It drives you crazy that a little tin Cessna product cruises faster than the mighty, super clean, aerodynamically superior-to-every-man-made-object-that-will-ever-be-built Gulfstream.

 

[banned username 2]

And, so you don't have to get out the Almanac, the winds in March are about half the winds in Nov.

I don't know that I would say that... about 3-4 weeks ago is when I saw the highest wind I've ever seen over the US, I had it as my avatar for a while... it was 282° @ 190kts... Last November the winds were quite light, actually...

Running 2 flight plans using monthly average winds along that route show an average headwind component of 63 kts in November vs. 60 kts in March... 3 kts is only 3.45 Mph so the C-X was still 22 Mph slower than the G-V...

 

[want2fly]

Actually this is the fastest business airplane, not the Citation X or the GV.

http://www.avtechgroup.com/

 

[banned username 2]

Actually this is the fastest business airplane, not the Citation X or the GV.

http://www.avtechgroup.com/

Not so much... first off, I don't think they have even raised the gear on it yet (in flight) and secondly what type of "Business Airplane" carries but one passenger?

That is a Sport Plane, not a business plane...

 

[want2fly]

Not so much... first off, I don't think they have even raised the gear on it yet (in flight)

http://www.avtechgroup.com/events.asp?sub=pressreleases

 

[GEXDriver]

And, so you don't have to get out the Almanac, the winds in March are about half the winds in Nov. You guys are funny. It drives you crazy that a little tin Cessna product cruises faster than the mighty, super clean, aerodynamically superior-to-every-man-made-object-that-will-ever-be-built Gulfstream.

You need to think before you type. The lower the winds, the more it benefits the Citation X on a Westbound trip. The X can't run the 2135 nm from Teterboro to Van Nuys at Mach 0.92 against typical Westerly winds at any time of the year, but the lower the winds, the faster it can cruise on that trip. The G550 can run nearly 5,000 nm at .88 Mach so wind speeds don't really matter to the G.

 

[banned username 2]

http://www.avtechgroup.com/events.asp?sub=pressreleases

But they haven't gotten it above something like 250 kts yet...

And again, what kind of true Business Plane is limited to carrying one passenger (per design)?

 

[want2fly]

But they haven't gotten it above something like 250 kts yet...

And again, what kind of true Business Plane is limited to carrying one passenger (per design)?

What does 250 kts have to do with the landing gear? If the business only needs to transport one or two people, they can use this as their business plane. You all are just jealous that this thing will do .98 and pass your slow GV's!

 

[banned username 2]

What does 250 kts have to do with the landing gear? If the business only needs to transport one or two people, they can use this as their business plane. You all are just jealous that this thing will do .98 and pass your slow GV's!

Yawn... We'll wave as your stop for fuel... As we are eating our filet mignon and getting up to use one of the 2 lavs on board...

 

[want2fly]

Yawn... We'll wave as your stop for fuel... As we are eating our filet mignon and getting up to use one of the 2 lavs on board...

and then we'll wave back to you as we climb past you doing 12,000 ft per min and pass you doing rolls, loops and lots of other fun things you cant do in your GV