Falcon 50ex

[LegacyDriver]

Disagree with whom? I've never taken anyone's side on this discussion.

So used to being the one getting bashed that I made a false assumption here perhaps. Sorry.

I just think 150+ posts of "my airplane's better than yours" is a bit lame.

Don't people attempt to buy the "better" airplane though? I suppose many buy the one that strokes their ego more but that shouldn't be the criteria. In determining the best airplane for the mission an honest and open discussion is helpful. Unfortunately, the anti-EMB agenda makes honest discussion impossible.

 

[Gumby]

And I would dump all the 50s and 2000s and go with the Legacy. The additional capability the Falcons might enjoy are negated by SOPs so why pay the extra $ for a 2000 or pay the same price for a tiny 50EX? And when one looks at reliability and DOCs, the Embraer beats the heck out of both of 'em. Alas, a man can dream...

Global? Now that would be fun.

A Man? Where??

 

[LegacyDriver]

A Man? Where??

I wagered CRJ how long it would be before you showed up with your usual ABSOLUTE LACK OF ANYTHING WORTHY to say... I lost--you're four days late.

(What a shock!!)


Maybe I can bet double or nothing as to when the rest of the Usual Suspects show up.

 

[hgi2006]

Maybe I can bet double or nothing as to when the rest of the Usual Suspects show up.

Looks like it would have been a bad idea.

I heard a Legacy picking up their clearance to Page, AZ a few days back, out of KSMO. Their final destination after Page? Chicago. I guess the Legacy can't even depart a 5000' runway to go to Chicago when it's wet - it can only go 250 miles!! LOL.

Then again, I suppose it doesn't much matter. Very few regionals go into runways shorter than 7,000 feet with any regularity.

 

[rjcap]

Can anyone comment on the differences between the 50EX and the 900EX. The 2 pilots I know who fly the 900 love it.

I am a bit surprised at the conflicting comments on crosswind performance? Its either strong or weak but it can't be both.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Looks like it would have been a bad idea.

I heard a Legacy picking up their clearance to Page, AZ a few days back, out of KSMO. Their final destination after Page? Chicago. I guess the Legacy can't even depart a 5000' runway to go to Chicago when it's wet - it can only go 250 miles!! LOL.

Then again, I suppose it doesn't much matter. Very few regionals go into runways shorter than 7,000 feet with any regularity.

What was the tail number? Once again you are just talking out of your ignorant, bloated backside. It is clear they were dropping pax in Page and continuing or doing a repo-pickup / pickup-repo. There is no operational limitation for either a "P" or "E" model requiring that stop.


I flew KSMO to KTEB with regularity in three different Legacy birds over a period of three years in all wx...so shut the f*** up already.

(Also flew the ERJ with a full boat out of KEWR daily back in the day. Lot shorter than 7000' ya' rabble rousing a-hat.)

 

[BoilerUP]

Legacy....chill man, he was obviously jerking your chain...

 

[sleepy]

Can anyone comment on the differences between the 50EX and the 900EX. The 2 pilots I know who fly the 900 love it.

I am a bit surprised at the conflicting comments on crosswind performance? Its either strong or weak but it can't be both.

I fly the 50EX and 900B. I have never had any problems landing either one of them in any conditions. We have a 900EX and I have not heard any of our pilots who fly it complain either. The 900B flys better than the 50EX IMHO, but there is nothing wrong with either of them. With fully boosted non-reversible hydraulic controls (same as you get on a fighter jet), the Falcon aircraft fly like a dream.

 

[Kingairrick]

Can anyone comment on the differences between the 50EX and the 900EX. The 2 pilots I know who fly the 900 love it.

I am a bit surprised at the conflicting comments on crosswind performance? Its either strong or weak but it can't be both.

I fly the 900EX and really can't find anything wrong with it, except that the galley is too small for the longest legs. We do HNL-PIE occasionally, which is sometimes 9+30 or more with 8 or 9 pax. We have the crew lav option, so that may make our galley a little smaller, I don't know.
As far as performance, straight to 410. Accelerate to .80 and go for as long as you like. I've taken it 490 topping weather and still went .80. No crosswind landing issues. BFLs are usually around 4000' except for the heaviest weights.
The problem with 900EXs right now is the price. Used ones are almost $30M.

 

[hgi2006]

What was the tail number? Once again you are just talking out of your ignorant, bloated backside. It is clear they were dropping pax in Page and continuing or doing a repo-pickup / pickup-repo. There is no operational limitation for either a "P" or "E" model requiring that stop.

PK-RJG or PK-RGJ I believe. Now who is "just talking out of your ignorant, bloated backside?" And the crew calling it a "tech stop for fuel" after loading up 2 pax out of KSMO made it pretty obvious to me why they were going to Page. How can you possibly think that you know every trip that every Legacy does in the world? This crew stopped for fuel, that's all that I know. I have no idea if they could have made it 100 nm from destination, or whether they could only make it a few hundred miles from KSMO, but I do know that they stopped for fuel.

I flew KSMO to KTEB with regularity in three different Legacy birds over a period of three years in all wx...so shut the f*** up already.

You probably did fly KSMO - KTEB. But not everyone is comfortable going out of an airport that requires more runway than you've got, or landing in KTEB with 1,100 lbs of fuel.

(Also flew the ERJ with a full boat out of KEWR daily back in the day. Lot shorter than 7000' ya' rabble rousing a-hat.)

Yes, because the shortest runway at KEWR, rwy 29, at 6800' is so much shorter than 7,000 feet.

 

[G100driver]

What was the tail number? Once again you are just talking out of your ignorant, bloated backside. It is clear they were dropping pax in Page and continuing or doing a repo-pickup / pickup-repo. There is no operational limitation for either a "P" or "E" model requiring that stop.


I flew KSMO to KTEB with regularity in three different Legacy birds over a period of three years in all wx...so shut the f*** up already.

(Also flew the ERJ with a full boat out of KEWR daily back in the day. Lot shorter than 7000' ya' rabble rousing a-hat.)

I guess I understand why you were asked to leave P.P.W. You obviously have very little interpersonal skills. <ignore list>

 

[BoilerUP]

I guess I understand why you were asked to leave P.P.W.

He was?!?!

 

[G100driver]

yes ...

 

[masedogg19]

Do a little search over there and you'll see why......

 

[Swass]

Mainly 'cause he comes off as an a$$hat in pretty much every post. Take a look at this freakin' thread alone.

 

[Kingairrick]

Professional pilots have very little patience for those who believe that theirs is the only opinion that matters.

 

[LegacyDriver]

PK-RJG or PK-RGJ I believe. Now who is "just talking out of your ignorant, bloated backside?" And the crew calling it a "tech stop for fuel" after loading up 2 pax out of KSMO made it pretty obvious to me

There is *no* operational limitation requiring a fuel stop for that trip. WTF is a "tech stop"???

why they were going to Page. How can you possibly think that you know every trip that every Legacy does in the world? This crew stopped for fuel, that's all that I know.

Oh but I *do* know. Even the woeful "P" model can do that trip without a fuel stop. It is clear u don't know much where EMBs are concerned.

Take a look at www.legacydriver.com and run the E T/O numbers for a trip out of KSMO. Bear in mind airport-specific #s are far more favorable. Even the generic #s show the airplane woulda' made it fine.

(I asked for the N # so I can get the s/n and thus config info for an accurate rebuttal.)

I have no idea if they could have made it 100 nm from destination, or whether they could only make it a few hundred miles from KSMO, but I do know that they stopped for fuel.

No, you don't know. I can assure you they had to drop someone or pick someone then grabbed cheap gas on the way. No need whatsoever to make that stop purely for fuel.

You probably did fly KSMO - KTEB. But not everyone is comfortable going out of an airport that requires more runway than you've got, or landing in KTEB with 1,100 lbs of fuel.

Nice chain yank. Totally inaccurate.

Yes, because the shortest runway at KEWR, rwy 29, at 6800' is so much shorter than 7,000 feet.

That was a typo on my part. My brain outran my fingers or something. KEYW. Key West, FL. 4800' as I recall.

 

[LegacyDriver]

He was?!?!

No, I was not. I quit. If I actually cared enough to try I could login and say hello, but I won't because I don't. Many of the people I respect left and I'm glad to join them.

If you doubt me ask Josh or Mark (SPXDriv*r or F*lconC*pt -- trying to bypass FI filter). I am friends with both. If I were banned I wouldn't be asked regularly to come back.

I walked away from the place because G200 is a tool who runs all over that board like a deranged lunatic, completely unchecked. U*L78 and I had some very strong words via PM and I told him what he could do with himself. Haven't been back since. I'm sure the mods will share with you the terse "goodbye" I sent U78 since he later shared it with all of them (another bone of contention I have--namely that PMs should be kept *private*).

I quit message boards entirely until Rum dragged me into this conversation (the impending death of which I am eagerly anticipating so I can return to self-imposed exile--all these boards do for me is generate stomach acid).

As for "only opinion that matters," I'd like to know what makes anyone believe I think that way? I just defend what I know in the hope objective folks will see through all the baseless bashing. If the Legacy were half as bad as the nameless msg board pot stirring minions would have you believe it would have ceased production six years ago.

 

[masedogg19]

WTF is a "tech stop"???

Do you really not know what that means?

 

[masedogg19]

G200 is a tool who runs all over that board like a deranged lunatic, completely unchecked.

Untrue.....so, as you so eloquently put it in post #158

shut the f*** up already.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Do you really not know what that means?

I guess not as I've never heard it used by anyone until now... Must be a Jeopardy question.


Then again, I don't know how to land in a crosswind either apparently.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Untrue.....so, as you so eloquently put it in post #158

Oh? So they finally reined him inover there? Wow. About time. That explains why he's lifting his leg over here again...

Zzzzzz....

 

[LegacyDriver]

At least now I know what "tech stop" means. Had to ask five guys before someone knew. Slang for fuel stop. Obviously not industry-wide. Sounds about as redundant as saying "with you" when checking on with ATC.

Then again, I never had to make a fuel stop and if I did not sure why I would tell clearance...

 

[hgi2006]

All this rant and you honestly never heard of a "tech stop"

There's a voice of experience huh?

:erm:

Its amazing you can continue to drag this out and make yourself look so unprofessional. Why?

Its also a shame its now no secret who you work for...they must be embarrassed!



and yes, Legacy Driver was banned from P.P.W.
The only person to have that honor.

 

[LegacyDriver]

All this rant and you honestly never heard of a "tech stop"

There's a voice of experience huh?

This from the guy who "once rode in a demo on a Legacy" and thinks he knows more about it than a guy with nearly 4,000 hours in it? Rrrrriiiiiiiiiight.

In my informal survey conducted today in search of the answer, only 15% of respondents had any idea what "tech stop" meant. The one who did said it is a "dispatcher term." Can't say I'm too upset about not knowing the meaning of this obscure phrase. That being said, my immense popularity and ability to generate hits on any thread in which I deem to grace with my presence means that, soon, everyone in aviation will know what a "tech stop" is.

(Yes, I do have quite a warped self-image. LOL!)

:erm:

:erm:

Its amazing you can continue to drag this out and make yourself look so unprofessional. Why?

This from the crowd that calls me "whacko," "asshat," "insane," "crappy pilot," etc..?? HA! Surely you jest.

Its also a shame its now no secret who you work for...they must be embarrassed!

My bosses have far more important things on their plate that what some message board sh*t-stirrer says about me.

and yes, Legacy Driver was banned from P.P.W.
The only person to have that honor.

That's a negative. I can give you Josh's cell phone number if you want to call and ask him yourself.

Maybe I will have to poke my head in over there and say hello/goodbye. Then again, why do I care to jump through hoops for a hypocrite?

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Sorry
Sorry for bashing you. It wasn't right. I just got wrapped up in the moment.

HG
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Where's that EYEROLL again?

 

[LegacyDriver]

Legacy....chill man, he was obviously jerking your chain...

I don't think so, sir. But if he is, then it's quite funny that he would cast judgment upon *MY* professionalism. (See his previous post.) ^

 

[LegacyDriver]

PK-RKG is an "E" engine model FL410-capable Legacy, S/N 969, which makes it the equivalent of the Legacy 600. (All airplanes after S/N 854 or 870-something are. The first "Legacy 600" equivalent--with only minor deviations--I flew was S/N 939 so 969 is as well). They did not stop for fuel due to any operational limitation on the aircraft, period.

S/N 699 was based out of KSMO for quite a stretch and they didn't do "tech stops" to go to Chicago or New York...

 

[LegacyDriver]

I have just got off the phone with an individual who has verified that you are banished from the other site. At this point, I'm calling you to the plate, LD. Logon over there and prove that you're not banished.

IMO, your credibility is at risk. If you logon, you prove that you're probably an honest character. If you fail to logon, you prove that you're probably not an honest character, and most everything else that you say should be disregarded too.

The ball is in your court.

HA, right. Who did you call? Just wondering. Hmmmmmmmmm.........

Like I said, why do I care what *YOU* think?

How about responding to the point posted above about the performance of the airplane you just bashed with your ill-informed assertion (or was it a lie?) ?

 

[LegacyDriver]

I will post the screenshot. Go ahead, I am logged in over there waiting for your arrival.

Don't wait today cuz I'm not going to get around to it anytime soon, especially on a PDA...

Still trying to decide if it is worth my time, honestly. You say, "Jump!" and I jump? That's not how I feel like leading my life thanks...


Who did you talk to?

Post a screen name.

 

[LegacyDriver]

It doesn't matter who I talked to. The fact is, it was someone in a position to give me the details of your banning.

Post the name or STFU.

Only two people over there have that authority and they haven't done it. (And if they do I could care less, let's get that straight.)

The onus is on you to prove what you're saying is true. At this point, your argument is weak and easy to see through.

Prove what to whom?

I already posted the EMBRAER PERFORMANCE DATA to prove everything I have said about the Legacy is true and you won't believe it. Why should I tilt at *THIS* particular windmill?

What's your USERID over there any way? PM me with it.

Look, LD... we all know that you're not the most sane, level headed, or honest character.

Is that a fact? Now I'm insane? Nice.