FAA Revokes the two NWA Pilots licenses

[ImbracableCrunk]

Yes, it is. But the Capt's last name was Cheney.

Zing! :laugh:

 

[Kharma Police]

Yes, it is. But the Capt's last name was Cheney.

He beat the rap like Clinton. Martha Stewart on the other hand........

 

[Booster]

It will not be difficult for the Feds to determine if they were on a computer or not. A quick inspection by an IT type will show useage times. That will determine if they lied to Feds about being on the computer and may cause the "they were asleep" crowd to be backed.

Either way I think they deserve to lose their 121 job. Since the beginning of training it has always been FLY THE AIRPLANE. They didn't.

 

[Erlanger]

I think they did sailor. And I suspect the investigation determined they lied about it, hence the revocation.

Even though the CVR only recorded the last 30 minutes and won't actually catch them napping, what do you think they talked about on the way back to the airport? I doubt they were completely silent. What they were caught saying about the incident may as well have incriminated them as to what really happened. I bet they talked about what their story would be.

 

[SEVEN]

Even though the CVR only recorded the last 30 minutes and won't actually catch them napping, what do you think they talked about on the way back to the airport? I doubt they were completely silent. What they were caught saying about the incident may as well have incriminated them as to what really happened. I bet they talked about what their story would be.

I don't think they would be stupid enough to talk about it knowing it is being recorded. Unless they figured it wasn't going to be as big of a deal as it turned out to be. Either way, the truth will come out eventually.

 

[ultrarunner]

Yeah, I suspect the last 30 minutes on the tape was strictly business. But yes, we'll know soon enough on what we have already been speculating.

 

[eyeamthechosen1]

First off, what these guys did was stooopid and unprofessional but the punishment does not fit the crime. This is a kneejerk reaction to save face for the FAA. Should they get a suspension, time off and a fine?? Absofreakinglutly. But revocation, no freaking way. Lets look at some recent
accidents/incidents over the last few years. AA in LIT, Capt is dead and the Fo survived. Is the FO still at AA and if so why no termination or revocation? How about the two guys in BDL? How about the SW Mdw boys, or Burbank, Lcc yahoo shooting his gun, the UAL FO and crew of 4 that could not handle an engine failure in SFO, and the numerous FDX accidents over the last few years. Are any of these pilots still employed? If so, then this punishment is too severe.

But in the rest of those incidents and/or accidents did the pilots purposely tried to mislead the Feds? The same arguments that we are having here I'm sure they had at the FAA. I'm sure the FAA feels like that the pilots tried to mislead them.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Probably not. Just poor judgement, just like these guys. Only difference is the others killed people, damaged aircraft and in the SFO case almost had the claim to the worst aviation accident on US soil(omitting 9/11). Not passing judgement as it could be me manana. I still think this was a rash judgement and hopefully after the appeal process will get a suspension, time off, and a large fine(which they deserve).

 

[USMC319]

Any guess what the fallout for the rest of us is going to be? No personal electronics use on the flightdeck from the Before Start Checklist until after the Parking Checklist? Finally the requirement of flightdeck video monitoring put into a NPRM? Requirement for FAs to call the flightdeck every 30 minutes, which BTW will be true torture for the Airbus guys?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

sheer genius

You'll have to excuse AA>> and the rest of the major airline boys that have been basking in all of their experienced glory post Colgan and Comair.
Seems a little luck has intervened to keep their mishaps non-lethal.

Yeah, after all the latest 2 incidents were so awfully deadly!
And yet Comair 5191 and Colgan 3407 (both accidents) affected how many innocent people because of inexperience?
Keep up the good work there chief. There's a reason numbnuts like you are in the food service business!

 

[EL10]

LEX had as much to do with inexperience as did nwa188

 

[EL10]

delete

 

[crashpad]

This incident should serve as an example to all the pilots: There is NO SECOND CHANCE when you don't accept responsibility for your mistakes. This isn't about safety or laptops or sleeping. This is about people who try to "shuck and jive" their way through a screw-up and think the FAA and their employer are too stupid to see through it.
They absolutely deserve to be banned from having passengers lives placed in their hands.

 

[scoreboardII]

Sorry to pick on you cobra:

Probably not. Just poor judgment, just like these guys. Only difference is the others killed people, damaged aircraft and in the SFO case almost had the claim to the worst aviation accident on US soil(omitting 9/11). Not passing judgment as it could be me manana. I still think this was a rash judgment and hopefully after the appeal process will get a suspension, time off, and a large fine(which they deserve).

It wasn't poor judgment, it's willful disregard, the FAA has already agreed with that position.
The other mishaps you mention are just that, poor judgment, bad situation, training, etc, not willful disregard.
Are you saying tomorrow you could fly past your destination because you would willfully neglect your duties? Really?

 

[cynic]

Never ever talk to the police -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc&feature=player_embedded

Great video, it changed my outlook.