FAA Revokes the two NWA Pilots licenses

[ultrarunner]

Yeah, I suspect the last 30 minutes on the tape was strictly business. But yes, we'll know soon enough on what we have already been speculating.

 

[eyeamthechosen1]

First off, what these guys did was stooopid and unprofessional but the punishment does not fit the crime. This is a kneejerk reaction to save face for the FAA. Should they get a suspension, time off and a fine?? Absofreakinglutly. But revocation, no freaking way. Lets look at some recent
accidents/incidents over the last few years. AA in LIT, Capt is dead and the Fo survived. Is the FO still at AA and if so why no termination or revocation? How about the two guys in BDL? How about the SW Mdw boys, or Burbank, Lcc yahoo shooting his gun, the UAL FO and crew of 4 that could not handle an engine failure in SFO, and the numerous FDX accidents over the last few years. Are any of these pilots still employed? If so, then this punishment is too severe.

But in the rest of those incidents and/or accidents did the pilots purposely tried to mislead the Feds? The same arguments that we are having here I'm sure they had at the FAA. I'm sure the FAA feels like that the pilots tried to mislead them.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Probably not. Just poor judgement, just like these guys. Only difference is the others killed people, damaged aircraft and in the SFO case almost had the claim to the worst aviation accident on US soil(omitting 9/11). Not passing judgement as it could be me manana. I still think this was a rash judgement and hopefully after the appeal process will get a suspension, time off, and a large fine(which they deserve).

 

[USMC319]

Any guess what the fallout for the rest of us is going to be? No personal electronics use on the flightdeck from the Before Start Checklist until after the Parking Checklist? Finally the requirement of flightdeck video monitoring put into a NPRM? Requirement for FAs to call the flightdeck every 30 minutes, which BTW will be true torture for the Airbus guys?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

sheer genius

You'll have to excuse AA>> and the rest of the major airline boys that have been basking in all of their experienced glory post Colgan and Comair.
Seems a little luck has intervened to keep their mishaps non-lethal.

Yeah, after all the latest 2 incidents were so awfully deadly!
And yet Comair 5191 and Colgan 3407 (both accidents) affected how many innocent people because of inexperience?
Keep up the good work there chief. There's a reason numbnuts like you are in the food service business!

 

[EL10]

LEX had as much to do with inexperience as did nwa188

 

[EL10]

delete

 

[crashpad]

This incident should serve as an example to all the pilots: There is NO SECOND CHANCE when you don't accept responsibility for your mistakes. This isn't about safety or laptops or sleeping. This is about people who try to "shuck and jive" their way through a screw-up and think the FAA and their employer are too stupid to see through it.
They absolutely deserve to be banned from having passengers lives placed in their hands.

 

[scoreboardII]

Sorry to pick on you cobra:

Probably not. Just poor judgment, just like these guys. Only difference is the others killed people, damaged aircraft and in the SFO case almost had the claim to the worst aviation accident on US soil(omitting 9/11). Not passing judgment as it could be me manana. I still think this was a rash judgment and hopefully after the appeal process will get a suspension, time off, and a large fine(which they deserve).

It wasn't poor judgment, it's willful disregard, the FAA has already agreed with that position.
The other mishaps you mention are just that, poor judgment, bad situation, training, etc, not willful disregard.
Are you saying tomorrow you could fly past your destination because you would willfully neglect your duties? Really?

 

[cynic]

Never ever talk to the police -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc&feature=player_embedded

Great video, it changed my outlook.

 

[JustaNumber]

Martha Stewart on the other hand........

It's ironic that you bring up Martha, as I was just thinking about how this case is remarkably similar to Martha's, both in terms of the reason for the media/public fascination for it, and the necessary government response.

If you think about it, both involved a person or persons who had a national reputation for always doing the right thing, being the perfect professionals, but then got caught doing the opposite, with a cavalier attitude that either the rules didn't apply to them, or that they would never get caught. Both lied in the initial investigation. It was like the fascination with pedophile priests; it just seems so contradictory.

The government response in both cases was completely necessary. If they hadn't thrown the book at Martha, giving just a wink and a nod at the insider trading, corruption in this country would have increased exponentially, and we would be well on the way to becoming Mexico. But now how many times have you heard Martha's example brought up when insider trading issues come up? Her example did more to keep corporate officers clean than thousands of pages of government regulations ever could have. Same goes for the pilots.

 

[Flopgut]

Are we all absolutely certain these two weren't slipped a sleep aid or something? The whole thing seems impossible to me. If this has already been broke down and discussed I missed it.

 

[flyguy67966]

Never ever talk to the police -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc&feature=player_embedded

Great video, it changed my outlook.

Agreed, thanks for sharing, this is great info.

 

[scoreboardII]

Are we all absolutely certain these two weren't slipped a sleep aid or something? The whole thing seems impossible to me. If this has already been broke down and discussed I missed it.

You mean impossible that they were slipped a sleep aid or maybe they were slipped one or something? Sorry, but they tesified they were on computers, do you have facts to back anything else?

 

[Flopgut]

Not necessarily. I think a toxicology report is in order. There have been some weird instances at my airline where things have proven to be not what we all thought.

 

[Pirate]

Not necessarily. I think a toxicology report is in order. There have been some weird instances at my airline where things have proven to be not what we all thought.

Maybe they were just dreaming about being on computers??

 

[AKAAB]

Maybe I'm missing something, but by what authority are they allowed to use the CVR against the pilots for enforcement purposes? There was no accident or incident. The only thing the NTSB has to work off of is a possible inability for a crewmember to be able to perform his duties. Otherwise, it's not even a reportable event, is it? (Looking for my NTSB regs...)

For all intents and purposes they got lost and recovered back to their original destination after sorting it all out. Send them home for 90 days, then wring them out in the sim. They'll be the safest pilots in the sky instead of the saddest pilots on the ground.

 

[Flopgut]

Maybe I'm missing something, but by what authority are they allowed to use the CVR against the pilots for enforcement purposes? There was no accident or incident. The only thing the NTSB has to work off of is a possible inability for a crewmember to be able to perform his duties. Otherwise, it's not even a reportable event, is it? (Looking for my NTSB regs...)

For all intents and purposes they got lost and recovered back to their original destination after sorting it all out. Send them home for 90 days, then wring them out in the sim. They'll be the safest pilots in the sky instead of the saddest pilots on the ground.

Great post!!

 

[Flopgut]

Some of the FAs at my airline are walking pharmacies. And they've done some dam awful things with their pills including one who gave zanex to a crying infant and another who date rape drugged an FO. I'm just saying: This scenario is getting checked out, right?

 

[jonjuan]

Agreed, thanks for sharing, this is great info.

Yeah, OK. Do you mean the example where he describes the attorney who is accused of assault, denies it, and yet admits that he "just put his hands to the throat of the gal, but didn't really mean it" gesture?
In the same vein, I can't wait to see these kids in Cali who raped this HS girl tell their attorney they didn't do it as they have no "proof."