FAA Revokes the two NWA Pilots licenses

[crashpad]

FAR's and SOP's are in place not just to avoid disaster but to avoid situations where disaster could occur. I think someone as experienced as yourself should know that it's not enough to just look at the outcome. Once you get yourself in a situation in which the outcome is beyond your control then you're leaving the door open for a disaster to occur...

Thank you to all pilots like yourself who are willling to impart wisdom and sound judgement. How most of us got past our twenties without killing ourselves is a bigger mystery than why girls are such hot sticks.

The damage done by these yahoos is irreversible. The NTSB NASA Report will not save their butts because their neglect was a result of deliberate violations....if you believe they weren't asleep.
The truth could've saved these guys, but like so many in todays' culture, they pulled a "Slick Willie" and thought they could skate away.

As for the little guys who think they're operating on the same level of safety:
Statistically, you are twice as likely to die on a regional flight as a major one. And it's not because of substandard equipment.
Sorry but those are facts, sport.
You're flying highly advanced shiney jets that can get away from you faster than girls who find out you still live at home. Maybe someday when you're all growed-up, you'll get a shot to play with the big boys. Until then, keep your head down (just not in your co-pilots lap), lose the 'tude', and for Gods sake take off your sunglasses indoors and remove the eppaulets when you're not at work.

 

[Colonel Savage]

"...The truth could've saved these guys, but like so many in todays' culture, they pulled a "Slick Willie" and thought they could skate away."

Is that why the Feds hammered the pilots with revocations and NWA had to fire them, because they didn't tell the truth (which was determined via some sort of evidence)? Before the investigation and interviews they must have known that to get caught in a lie would only make it worse for them. I wonder if they recieved improper "coaching" on what the story "should be" from union advisors, and it blew up on them.

 

[rigger]

QUOTE
As for the little guys who think they're operating on the same level of safety:
Statistically, you are twice as likely to die on a regional flight as a major one. And it's not because of substandard equipment.
Sorry but those are facts, sport. "


Where can I find this statistic, I have never heard this before? Is it really true or are you just blowing smoke to make it sound better. Any help here would be appreciated. Thanks

 

[crashpad]

Regional carriers had four fatal crashes that killed 85 people over the past five years, according to federal data. Over the same period, one person died in a major airline crash.
"This is where the accidents are occurring," said NTSB Vice Chairman Robert Sumwalt in a speech he delivered on the subject.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-02-06-regionalsafety_N.htm

 

[Dornier 335]

...adding fuel to the fire!

Regional carriers had four fatal crashes that killed 85 people over the past five years, according to federal data. Over the same period, one person died in a major airline crash.

Yeah, but how many more legs do regional pilots fly compared to mainline guys? If you take a look at the number of RJ flights (legs, not flight time), you'd be surprised.

I would be interesting to compare the number of approaches per month or year of the mighty mainline pilots vs. the scum of the earth RJ pilots.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

If you want to use that argument, how about looking at the last few decades? Your move, "scooter".

Hi Sparky:
Maybe you should try reading this.
Check mate scooter!

 

[crashpad]

Yeah, but how many more legs do regional pilots fly compared to mainline guys? If you take a look at the number of RJ flights (legs, not flight time), you'd be surprised.
I would be interesting to compare the number of approaches per month or year of the mighty mainline pilots vs. the scum of the earth RJ pilots.

I wouldn't be surprised because I flew those schedules, too. Rj pilots are not "scum of the earth", they are commuter airline pilots. Commuter airline pilots fly the same approaches, under the same meteorlogical conditions, with the same responsibility to the lives of passengers just as as major air airline pilots do. They are paid less because they have less experience, they fly more because the legs are shorter.
It's called building experience: there's no shorcut, no pay for play, and no "I have a friend at XYZ..." that can substitute for it.

 

[GogglesPisano]

So far I've heard that these pilots have "lied," "changed their stories," and "tried to cover up." The one thing no one on FI has produced is a quote from them supporting these accusations.

So many perfect pilots on FI these days willing to convict our colleagues before the investigation is even complete.

There but for the grace of God ...

 

[Bringupthebird]

They are paid less because they have less experience, they fly more because the legs are shorter.
It's called building experience: there's no shorcut, no pay for play, and no "I have a friend at XYZ..." that can substitute for it.

They are paid less because their airplanes carry fewer passengers. Ask a furloughed mainline pilot with 20K hours in the right seat of an RJ if he should be paid based on his experience.

 

[Dornier 335]

I wouldn't be surprised because I flew those schedules, too. Rj pilots are not "scum of the earth", they are commuter airline pilots. Commuter airline pilots fly the same approaches, under the same meteorlogical conditions, with the same responsibility to the lives of passengers just as as major air airline pilots do. They are paid less because they have less experience, they fly more because the legs are shorter.
It's called building experience: there's no shorcut, no pay for play, and no "I have a friend at XYZ..." that can substitute for it.

Crashpad, my bad, I was being sarcastic. I am a RJ driver myself. I have done 8 legs/day. The more legs you fly, the higher the risk of Mr. Murphy stopping by for a visit.

I disagree with you on "I have a friend at XYZ". At Uncle Hulas' Air there was once upon a time a young blonde female f/o who just needed 1000 hours jet time to get into a legacy airline that has a hub in IAH. She's now on the 757 and probably had less than 2000 hrs total time when she joined.

I don't buy the argument to get paid less b/c of less experience. As previously mentioned Europe and the rest of the world don't adhere to that standard (not sure about Canada, eh).

Can we all blame it on Mesa, Uncle Hulas and Republic?