Extraneous useless radio phrases

[Way2Broke]

As long as morons waste time, add to radio clutter, and say these utterly stupid useless things -- watch for it next year and maybe the year after that too!

See ya here next year!

 

[airlineworthy]

Why in the world do some pilots use the redundant, totally useless, stupid phrase "with you" in their 'check-in' call to ATC. He KNOWS you are "with him". "Checking in with you" has to be the worse. Call sign and altitude is all ya need and all he wants. Quit wasting time on the radio.

Why, when asked your speed by ATC do some guys add the useless "...what do you need?". Just answer the question -- ATC will tell you what they need, if any change, after you answer the question.

Major airport control towers have local radar. Just tell the guy you are on final for the runway. You don't need some long drawn out call telling him whether you're "doing the visual" or "on the ILS" or that you are (again) "with him".

Don't tie up center frequency trying to sound cool by asking ATC "...how ya doing today?" at the end of your check-in.

ATC gives you on-coming trafiic above 18,000' solely so you won't get startled by seeing the traffic so there is absolutely no need to call back ATC a minute later to tell him you have him in sight --he doesn't care!

Since this has been a bug up your crawl for so long...why don't we just appoint you as the official
"Radio Nazi" .

Just curious...what do you do when you hear someone calling ramp on guard frequency?

 

[atl pilot]

Cesna Cap....
That's the first time in 20 years that a pilot has given me a good reason for asking "how longs the final?" All those years of faming on DAL and no one ever gave a valid reason.
Now I'll answer it with a bit more cooperation.

 

[FlyboyPhil]

He can't be THE official Radio Nazi.. I think thats a position filled by the Delta? guys who announce "you're on guard" in sequence for 2 minutes after the initial transmission..
I have always wondered if that "you're on guard" call might just circle the planet if someone misheard the Nazis and told them they were on guard... ad nauseum...

 

[SMOE]

As long as morons waste time, add to radio clutter, and say these utterly stupid useless things -- watch for it next year and maybe the year after that too!

Kinda like you wasting web space by whining about other pilots' radio vernacular? Gee, I wish I was as perfect as you.

Is that you Chuck Yeager?

 

[phr8dawg]

When both your radios and date on the data plate are older than you are.......you need "tree" and "fife."

 

[chignutsak]

"Blocked".

 

[sqwkvfr]

Did anyone else notice the irony in the thread title?

 

[dickburns]

some good points, however, with regards to traffic...if you're up in pca and atc gives you merging targets, if you don't see the guy, ok...but if you see 'em, a quick "traffic in sight" is appreciated because you never know what hte controllers next move might be (report passing, etc.)

Also, with regards to visual separations, there are two times when it can be used in pca. either descending a guy out of 180 when it's the lufl, or climbing a guy up into the pca through traffic at 170.

 

[dickburns]

...that's the attitude I expect from a controller.

I don't even want to imagine how difficult it is to manage all the traffic coming in and out of ATL and maybe things are different down there.

Try managing the energy of a jet. I don't want to unnecessarily waste fuel. If I know how long the final is, I know whether or not I need to hurry down, use drag--or not. I don't want to be at 2500' 20 miles out, and I don't want to be turning base to final 5 mile out @ 7000' still doing 250. Out here on the West Coast, controllers actually volunteer that information.

Haha, omg flying a jet is *SOOOO* hard! Lol, I think most folks on here know that a controllers job is a LOT harder than a pilots. In fact, I know of plenty of guys who have flown fighters, airliners, etc, and then gone on to be controllers, or used to be controllers and went to fly, and they've all said that controlling is MUCH harder and a greater workload.

We all know how stressful punching an FMS is...

 

[Caspian27]

Did anyone else notice the irony in the thread title?

I didn't until you mentioned it....that's awesome~

The word "Extraneous" is extraneous. Brilliant!

 

[Taildraggaah]

As long as morons waste time, add to radio clutter, and say these utterly stupid useless things -- watch for it next year and maybe the year after that too!

have you thought about serving coffee in the back?

 

[say again]

Hey Mach 80, Im "with you" on this one!!!!:laugh::beer:

 

[Way2Broke]

We all know how stressful punching an FMS is...

Not all of us flying jets have glass and a FMS. I get tired of hearing, "punch it in and let me know how it looks." Punch it into what, the VOR? I know ATC can be a difficult job, and we respect you guys very much, but please don't make assumptions like that.

Reminds me of the old quote, "When a pilot makes a mistake the pilot dies, when a controller makes a mistake the pilot dies."

 

[EX_CV580FR8Dawg]

Don't tie up center frequency trying to sound cool by asking ATC "...how ya doing today?" at the end of your check-in.


good thing you weren't up in the OSH sector when PR and Knute were working it...that always made for a good day when you heard those guys working!

However, I do agree...if the freq is busy, keep it simple and professional!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Did anyone else notice the irony in the thread title?

Damn, I was going to point that out too.

 

[BushwickBill]

Whats with the "in sequence" call? Its like saying "I'm in line, in line".

I don't get it.

Then again the other part of my brain that I save for non flying duties like bangin chicks and drinking beer yearns for the Little John school of communication:

Atc: N12345 hold short of 28R
Me: "OK!"

Atc: N12345 cleared for takeoff 28R
Me: "YEAH!"

Atc: N12345 contact departure
Me: "WHAT?!"

Atc: N12345 contact departure
Me: "OK!"

If any of you need a Little John reference here is one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwC0CJGYGao&feature=related

 

[niteflyr]

Are you seriously this uptight about an extra work or two in a transmission? Its called brining a bit of humanity into a sometimes drab world! Obviously in a busy sector you should be as brief and concise as possible, but come on! Please tell me you fly single pilot Mach80!

 

[Cardinal]

Cesna Cap....
That's the first time in 20 years that a pilot has given me a good reason for asking "how longs the final?" All those years of faming on DAL and no one ever gave a valid reason.
Now I'll answer it with a bit more cooperation.

Reason number 397 why controllers should be back in the jumpseats again.

 

[atl pilot]

Reason number 397 why controllers should be back in the jumpseats again.

Funny. Just last night there was a discussion in the ATL Tower Cab about just that. Even though we (controllers) conincidentally used the up to 8 fams per year we were allotted to travel to someplace we wanted to go, I left each trip with some newfound value and understanding. I ALWAYS tooks something away from those experinces.....some good, some bad, but I ALWAYS learned something that has helped me to be a better controller!

 

[ERJFO]

Cesna Cap....
That's the first time in 20 years that a pilot has given me a good reason for asking "how longs the final?" All those years of faming on DAL and no one ever gave a valid reason.
Now I'll answer it with a bit more cooperation.

It's nice if you just give us the fix we'll join final around, it's easier/quicker than giving us the milage (but it really doesn't matter)...

 

[D-Bo]

Stop asking how the rides are every time you check in!.......................Southwest.

I don't work for SWA but what's the problem with asking how the rides are? Maybe you'll start asking after you you get unexpected CAT and bounce a few heads off the ceiling in the back. It's prudent to ask. That info could dictate your altitude, speed, seat belt sign, crew meal, etc.. That's important sh*t.

 

[jet2work]

Somebody needs a PCDL.

 

[Mach 80]

>>>>I say "what do you need" simply as a courtesy, letting ATC know that I have the capability to speed up anytime to .86 in order to help them out.<<<

Do you think if you DON'T say "what do you need" he otherwise might not make a request? He just wants some information....period. With very few exceptions, controllers pretty much know what planes can do and "what do you need" doesn't inform him of anything anyway.

 

[My name is EARL]

Why is my transponder code that was good when I took off 1 hour before now needs to be changed. Is it because now we are counted twice, when you give out numbers of aircraft that pass thru your center?

 

[Mach 80]

...on the meter??!!!

ATC: "Super Airline 345 descend and maintain 12,000, Atlanta altimeter is 30.12."

Super Airline 345: "Descend and maintain 12,000, 3012 ....ON THE METER"

"ON THE METER"??!!! ON THE METER???!! Are you kidding me? Maybe you'd put it, ummmmm, on the compass? or the airspeed indicator..... or on the wing? What a dork thing to say! Why in the world would you need to add "..on the meter" at the end of simply repeating the altimeter setting?

This is a new low. The sad thing is that these 'fad' phrases spread like wildfire, especially among the younger pilots.

A few months flying international speaking strictly ICAO responses would help. At least you can TRY to sound like you've been around the block.

Anyone who adds "...on the meter" in reading back the altimeter setting is truly a moron. Another extraneous, time wasting, unprofessional, totally useless, stupid, dorky phrase.

 

[sqwkvfr]

ATC: "Super Airline 345 descend and maintain 12,000, Atlanta altimeter is 30.12."

Super Airline 345: "Descend and maintain 12,000, 3012 ....ON THE METER"

"ON THE METER"??!!! ON THE METER???!! Are you kidding me? Maybe you'd put it, ummmmm, on the compass? or the airspeed indicator..... or on the wing? What a dork thing to say! Why in the world would you need to add "..on the meter" at the end of simply repeating the altimeter setting?

This is a new low. The sad thing is that these 'fad' phrases spread like wildfire, especially among the younger pilots.

A few months flying international speaking strictly ICAO responses would help. At least you can TRY to sound like you've been around the block.

Anyone who adds "...on the meter" in reading back the altimeter setting is truly a moron. Another extraneous, time wasting, unprofessional, totally useless, stupid, dorky phrase.

....are you George Costanza?

 

[CA1900]

....are you George Costanza?

I was hearing the rant in more of a Frank Costanza voice. :laugh:

"And now, THE AIRING of the GRIEVANCES!"

 

[say again]

ATC: "Super Airline 345 descend and maintain 12,000, Atlanta altimeter is 30.12."

Super Airline 345: "Descend and maintain 12,000, 3012 ....ON THE METER"

"ON THE METER"??!!! ON THE METER???!! Are you kidding me? Maybe you'd put it, ummmmm, on the compass? or the airspeed indicator..... or on the wing? What a dork thing to say! Why in the world would you need to add "..on the meter" at the end of simply repeating the altimeter setting?

This is a new low. The sad thing is that these 'fad' phrases spread like wildfire, especially among the younger pilots.

A few months flying international speaking strictly ICAO responses would help. At least you can TRY to sound like you've been around the block.

Anyone who adds "...on the meter" in reading back the altimeter setting is truly a moron. Another extraneous, time wasting, unprofessional, totally useless, stupid, dorky phrase.

I use "fish finder" myself!! What do you think of that???

 

[dickburns]

earl, not sure if you're question is sarcasm or serious, but you're getting your code changed because someone else in that centers computer already has the code that you're squawking assigned to them. is it that big of a pain to switch?