ExpressJet Pilots Reach Tentative Agreement

[Best on a Camel]

GO TO THE ROADSHOW.

My Negotiating Committee speaks for me!

 

[nonstop]

GO TO THE ROADSHOW.

My Negotiating Committee speaks for me!

Right on! They speak for me too! And they're about to go back to the table to speak for me some more!

 

[Sphincter Boy]

Right on! They speak for me too! And they're about to go back to the table to speak for me some more!

Couldn't have said it better myself....that was funny

 

[Best on a Camel]

Hopefully they won't be because I am voting YES. Industry leading contract in this enviornment? You would be nuts not to!

 

[Lear70]

Ummm... I'm confused. How is this an "industry-leading" contract? It's less than Comair in nearly every arena, is about identical to Mesaba's which was signed last year (except your new F/O rates are lower as is your min day and rest provisions), and in many ways it's even worse than ours at PCL which I view as "middle of the road" (your pay rates are about $2 an hour, or 3% higher than ours year for year).

I wouldn't exactly call this an "industry-leading" contract...

Good luck to all of you, I'll be proud to come down and help walk the line during your strike should it come to that.

 

[Best on a Camel]

I'm sorry you are confused, if you were an XJT pilot you could come to one of our road shows and have it explained to you.

Sorry, I do not want to sound curt, just getting tired of all the missinformation going on here.

 

[ATRCA]

Yeah, I have to agree. I went to a roadshow today and there are few contrats out there that even come close. Its not all about the pay rates and there are things I would like to see, however trying to outline every section on this forum is absurd and frankly meaningless. The guys did well to demonstrate that this is the most expensive contract in our business (50 seats).

No offense Lear, but you dont know the facts.

Its about XJT and no one else.

Adios.

 

[JetLinkin Park]

Hopefully they won't be because I am voting YES. Industry leading contract in this enviornment? You would be nuts not to!

You sound like some 22 year old kid who still lives with mommy. You have got to be kidding me.

VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Yeah, I have to agree. I went to a roadshow today and there are few contrats out there that even come close. Its not all about the pay rates and there are things I would like to see, however trying to outline every section on this forum is absurd and frankly meaningless. The guys did well to demonstrate that this is the most expensive contract in our business (50 seats).

No offense Lear, but you dont know the facts.

Its about XJT and no one else.

Adios.

I'm glad you came today (and were even brave enough to sit up in the front row). You asked some great questions and your ability to keep and open mind is commendable. Thanks for coming and thanks for the post above - it is dead on!

-Neal

 

[Best on a Camel]

Far far from it my friend,

Just mature and have also been in the aviation business for along time. A good deal in this enviornment is a YES vote from me and my wife.

And from the several conversations I had in the crewroom today, a bunch of the guys agree with me. Once this deal is explained to people, and put in the proper context I think you will see the vocal minority change their opinion too.

As the MEC and Duane Woerth said "Hope is not a strategy."


On a side note, I took one of my kids to a Linkin Park concert awhile back, that lead singer is a shorty! (See I'm not such an old fuddy duddy!)

 

[172driver]

Just mature and have also been in the aviation business for along time. A good deal in this enviornment is a YES vote from me and my wife.

And from the several conversations I had in the crewroom today, a bunch of the guys agree with me. Once this deal is explained to people, and put in the proper context I think you will see the vocal minority change their opinion too.

This environment, as you put it, has been created not by 9/11, not by LCC's, not by struggling legacy partners, but by regional pilot groups accepting less than what they are worth. If you accept lower pay rates than the competitor, the company promises...growth, faster upgrades, job security, and now...better work rules, profit sharing, retro pay, etc. Sounds good but what about the pay rates???

Even if the other perks in this TA were worth what you say they are, you have still succeeded in lowering the bar for the industry if you vote this in. How are future pilot groups supposed to negotiate better rates when you, a large and profitable group have already settled for 5-10% less than what they have now?

If the value of this TA can be explained and put in the proper context, as you say, then please do it. We would all like to hear what is so special about this proposal that you feel good about accepting significantly less pay than at least 4 other regionals

 

[BluDevAv8r]

This environment, as you put it, has been created not by 9/11, not by LCC's, not by struggling legacy partners, but by regional pilot groups accepting less than what they are worth. If you accept lower pay rates than the competitor, the company promises...growth, faster upgrades, job security, and now...better work rules, profit sharing, retro pay, etc. Sounds good but what about the pay rates???

Even if the other perks in this TA were worth what you say they are, you have still succeeded in lowering the bar for the industry if you vote this in. How are future pilot groups supposed to negotiate better rates when you, a large and profitable group have already settled for 5-10% less than what they have now?

If the value of this TA can be explained and put in the proper context, as you say, then please do it. We would all like to hear what is so special about this proposal that you feel good about accepting significantly less pay than at least 4 other regionals

It would take too long on here...so I tell you what - email me at [email protected] and I will provide you with a copy of our road show schedule and you have my formal invitation to attend one of our presentations as my personal guest. Let me know...

-Neal

 

[Best on a Camel]

I have read the contract and been to a roadshow, so I can tell you we did not lower the bar, we raised it. Are the pay rates there? No, but the W2 is, and that's what counts. Take up Neal's invitation and see why.

I would even say I don't give a rip about the pay rates, all I wanna know is what my quality of life and W2 are going to look like. Thats what a career in aviation has taught me.

I once worked under a contract that was voted in primarily on the pay rates and then spent the next few years realizing I had a pay cut because the work rules were weak.

W2 is what counts. Take it from someone who has learned the hard way.

And there is an industry leading W2 in this TA.


BOAC

 

[JetLinkin Park]

Right on! They speak for me too! And they're about to go back to the table to speak for me some more!

Amen. This is far from over................................

 

[172driver]

I really would like to see and hear about the TA but to be completely honest, it's not my airline, not my TA, and I can't see spending my days off travelling to do that. Believe me, I hope it is an excellent deal for you guys. I don't quite understand why it can't be broken down here, but again, it's not my deal.

I fully agree that the W2 is the bottom line, along with QOL issues. I just don't see that your TA is going to lead the industry in either. I'm sorry I can't be there for you to explain it to me but feel free to use this forum to illustrate if you feel so strongly. A lot of us are wondering why you would settle for this. Seems very similar to the CHQ and Mesaba negotiations...lots of talk about CMR+ or we'll walk but when push comes to shove, you take the first offer the NC brings you, pick parts that you're proud of, and boast about it being great.

My W2 as a 2nd year FO will be around $42,000. $46,500 with perdiem. Somehow I have a feeling your new TA is not going to hit that mark. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

Our work rules and rigs are still better than your proposal, probably excepting reserve rules. Again, I haven't seen the whole thing, maybe I am mistaken?