ExpressJet Pilots Reach Tentative Agreement

[expressjetdork]

Great Job Neal S., its the same dozen or so guys trolling the crackpipe, the new/free crackpipe and this site. They really need to find hobbies. And Lofgren (turbo), I admire your balls to tell it the way you see it, I agree with YOU. and the douche-bag Hagen, feels the need to run out and look for a guys name on a bid packet and throw his name on a public webpage because he's upset, (stereotypical twerp four-eyed dweeb hiding behind his computer screen)

 

[surplus1]

Jetlink,

Thank you very much. I thought I recognized his MO in some of your language but wanted to be sure.

Good luck.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Jetlink,

Thank you very much. I thought I recognized his MO in some of your language but wanted to be sure.

Good luck.

What MO is that and can you provide a language reference for me? I'm just curious what you think was "his" writing or "MO." Thanks!

-Neal

 

[rattler]

Whatever....I'm voting a big fat YES to this TA and I'm going to do everything in my power to convince everyone I know to do the same. This is great news for our pilot group and congratulations to our NC, and especially Neal Schwartz, for their tireless hard word.

EVERYONE VOTE YES!!!

Steve L.
IAH FO

Steve, are you serious? Come on man, I hope this is a joke.

If you take contract 97' payrates and extend them to current day, it is the exact same rates offered on this TA! What no raise? In addition I do not believe will will ever see much profit sharing, if any. If the company wants to give us above Comair rates, do it in hard cash. This whole thing just looks shady to me. I can't believe some of you guys don't even want a raise. This is truly sad. Do you have no pride in yourself? Do you believe your hard work deserves no reward? I will go to the road show to get a better understanding of this whole thing. But my vote is already decided. NO!

 

[Jonny O]

Rattler is right. C '97 gave 3% per year raises. Apply that to 5th year captain out to 2007 and you get 69.34. The new rate is $69.43. WOW! Two years for an extra 9 cents. That's great. We do get profit sharing though, but only for a month this year. When they took it away it '98, pilots had to give up 18 months worth, why not give us profit sharing back to amendable date? Besides, that income is not guaranteed. So, where are the improvements? They act like they are doing us a favor by giving us a 4 year deal instead of 5. Well, the previous one was 5 and it went back to amendable date. I vote for the same thing now. Instead we essentially give the company 6 years. Isn't that rewarding them for dragging this out?

Oh, but the economic conditions are to blame. Well, in '98 oil was a record low $10 per barrel. They made money off of us then and they can't pay us now? Sorry, I don't buy it. Have to vote no.

 

[nonstop]

I did a hourly rate comparision posted at http://www.expressjetpilots.com/viewtopic.php?t=285.

Here's the basic summary. We get profit sharing. Most likely that profit sharing will just stop paying. Same thing happened 2 contract cycles prior in C95, the profit sharing checks were literally paying out in cents.

We have a provision in this TA that states, if the company CANCELS profit sharing we'll get a 3% raise to all payrates accross the board. Of course, most likely, it will just stop paying anything significant and not be canceled, so we'll be screwed. Regardless, I gave them the benefit of the doubt and added that 3% to all our wages. Even after adding 3% to the entire XJT TA payscale this is the result:

XJT FO's will be paid on average 10.74% less than Comair FO's of the same longevity.

XJT CA's will be paid on average 8.49% less than Comair CA's of the same longevity.

 

[SLFLYHI]

Steve, are you serious? Come on man, I hope this is a joke.

If you take contract 97' payrates and extend them to current day, it is the exact same rates offered on this TA! What no raise? In addition I do not believe will will ever see much profit sharing, if any. If the company wants to give us above Comair rates, do it in hard cash. This whole thing just looks shady to me. I can't believe some of you guys don't even want a raise. This is truly sad. Do you have no pride in yourself? Do you believe your hard work deserves no reward? I will go to the road show to get a better understanding of this whole thing. But my vote is already decided. NO!

Rattler,

Yes, I'm totally serious. And no, I don't believe hard work deserves no reward...do me and yourself a favor, Rattler, go to the union roadshow. There's no smoke and mirrors, no hard sell, no tricks. At the end of the day, we will be better compensated than Comair, with better QOL and having a better company at the end of the day. If after attending the roadshow, you still want to vote no, then I respect your decision.

I promise you, however, that just looking at the pay rates and voting no is a truly misinformed decision that you'll regret in the long term. No, I'm not a secret member of the NC, nor am I a company symphathist. All I'm saying is that there's a lot more to know about the TA than what you think you can decipher just be looking at the rates.

Steve

 

[Mustang5.0]

Rattler,

Yes, I'm totally serious. And no, I don't believe hard work deserves no reward...do me and yourself a favor, Rattler, go to the union roadshow. There's no smoke and mirrors, no hard sell, no tricks. At the end of the day, we will be better compensated than Comair, with better QOL and having a better company at the end of the day. If after attending the roadshow, you still want to vote no, then I respect your decision.

I promise you, however, that just looking at the pay rates and voting no is a truly misinformed decision that you'll regret in the long term. No, I'm not a secret member of the NC, nor am I a company symphathist. All I'm saying is that there's a lot more to know about the TA than what you think you can decipher just be looking at the rates.

Steve

guaranteed RATES is what pays our bills, not all this other shady stuff we can't count on.

 

[Best on a Camel]

Bunch of inaccurate information on this thread.

Go to a roadshow for the information.

 

[surplus1]

What MO is that and can you provide a language reference for me? I'm just curious what you think was "his" writing or "MO." Thanks!

-Neal

No, I'm not saying it was "his" language. He usually doesn't write language by himself but does it with the union's negotiators. Just the general style seemed like he had a hand in it; nothing specific.

I happen to know him personally. Just a coincidence.

 

[Best on a Camel]

GO TO THE ROADSHOW.

My Negotiating Committee speaks for me!

 

[nonstop]

GO TO THE ROADSHOW.

My Negotiating Committee speaks for me!

Right on! They speak for me too! And they're about to go back to the table to speak for me some more!

 

[Sphincter Boy]

Right on! They speak for me too! And they're about to go back to the table to speak for me some more!

Couldn't have said it better myself....that was funny

 

[Best on a Camel]

Hopefully they won't be because I am voting YES. Industry leading contract in this enviornment? You would be nuts not to!

 

[Lear70]

Ummm... I'm confused. How is this an "industry-leading" contract? It's less than Comair in nearly every arena, is about identical to Mesaba's which was signed last year (except your new F/O rates are lower as is your min day and rest provisions), and in many ways it's even worse than ours at PCL which I view as "middle of the road" (your pay rates are about $2 an hour, or 3% higher than ours year for year).

I wouldn't exactly call this an "industry-leading" contract...

Good luck to all of you, I'll be proud to come down and help walk the line during your strike should it come to that.

 

[Best on a Camel]

I'm sorry you are confused, if you were an XJT pilot you could come to one of our road shows and have it explained to you.

Sorry, I do not want to sound curt, just getting tired of all the missinformation going on here.

 

[ATRCA]

Yeah, I have to agree. I went to a roadshow today and there are few contrats out there that even come close. Its not all about the pay rates and there are things I would like to see, however trying to outline every section on this forum is absurd and frankly meaningless. The guys did well to demonstrate that this is the most expensive contract in our business (50 seats).

No offense Lear, but you dont know the facts.

Its about XJT and no one else.

Adios.

 

[JetLinkin Park]

Hopefully they won't be because I am voting YES. Industry leading contract in this enviornment? You would be nuts not to!

You sound like some 22 year old kid who still lives with mommy. You have got to be kidding me.

VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Yeah, I have to agree. I went to a roadshow today and there are few contrats out there that even come close. Its not all about the pay rates and there are things I would like to see, however trying to outline every section on this forum is absurd and frankly meaningless. The guys did well to demonstrate that this is the most expensive contract in our business (50 seats).

No offense Lear, but you dont know the facts.

Its about XJT and no one else.

Adios.

I'm glad you came today (and were even brave enough to sit up in the front row). You asked some great questions and your ability to keep and open mind is commendable. Thanks for coming and thanks for the post above - it is dead on!

-Neal

 

[Best on a Camel]

Far far from it my friend,

Just mature and have also been in the aviation business for along time. A good deal in this enviornment is a YES vote from me and my wife.

And from the several conversations I had in the crewroom today, a bunch of the guys agree with me. Once this deal is explained to people, and put in the proper context I think you will see the vocal minority change their opinion too.

As the MEC and Duane Woerth said "Hope is not a strategy."


On a side note, I took one of my kids to a Linkin Park concert awhile back, that lead singer is a shorty! (See I'm not such an old fuddy duddy!)