Expressjet growing?

[BOX OFFICE]

Is it true that with the ExpressJet line bidding, only 50% of the pilots are awarded actual lines, then another 20% get relief lines and the rest are on reserve?

 

[princeton]

No...but thanks. I stand by my original statement. Line bidding bites. Who wants to sit and look through hundreds on lines, scanning every pairing, etc. I like the way PBS works and the flexibility of it. But thanks for the edit.

Hardly anyone scans through the lines, there's an automatic line ordering tool that selects the lines according to your preferences. I haven't bid in years, I just let "Ad-opt" do the work. Sometimes I check the results to see if it's really giving me what I want.

That said, since XJT MEC is open to look at other options, they've being looking at different PBS systems. I understand that the PBS system they liked the most is NOT the ASA system which I understand is crap. XJT is going to introduce that PBS system (not ASA's one) on a TRIAL basis for reserve/relief line bidding soon.

 

[princeton]

Is it true that with the ExpressJet line bidding, only 50% of the pilots are awarded actual lines, then another 20% get relief lines and the rest are on reserve?

It's 70-75% with hard lines, 15% with relief lines (which are also hard lines that you can trip-trade but they're not awarded until the third week of the month prior as opposed to the end of the first week which is typical for hard lines).

Historically only 10% hold reserve but the company is trying to increase that to 20% with all the hiring etc.

 

[Freebrd]

hey let's adapt the best of each! I'm open to ExJet's if it's an improvement over PBS, but I do like PBS over the old line bidding crap at ASA, and i'm not one of the 1700 that 777 writes about, clueless that he/she is fo sure

 

[wms]

Hardly anyone scans through the lines, there's an automatic line ordering tool that selects the lines according to your preferences. I haven't bid in years, I just let "Ad-opt" do the work. Sometimes I check the results to see if it's really giving me what I want.

That said, since XJT MEC is open to look at other options, they've being looking at different PBS systems. I understand that the PBS system they liked the most is NOT the ASA system which I understand is crap. XJT is going to introduce that PBS system (not ASA's one) on a TRIAL basis for reserve/relief line bidding soon.

Actually the ASA system is probably the best. DAL, swa and others have been looking at it. But it still doesn't match up to Expressjet's line bidding.

 

[wms]

ASA's PBS is anything but potluck, and 1,700 pilots can vouch for that.

You should get out of the Atl crewroom now and then.

 

[SpaceShipEarth]

END OF THE FIRST WEEK!!!?!?!?!??????????

Hell! I don't know my schedule until the last week!!!

 

[Nevets]

No...but thanks. I stand by my original statement. Line bidding bites. Who wants to sit and look through hundreds on lines, scanning every pairing, etc. I like the way PBS works and the flexibility of it. But thanks for the edit.

ALL PBS systems bite. By the way, we have a pairing sorter if you don't want to look through 300 lines.

Pref bidding could be the greatest thing...XJTers resist change...period. Every change is perceived as worse.

It's the XJT MEC who is researching PBS and actually planning on using as a test. The other MEC won't take their fingers out of their ears.

 

[JoeMerchant]

It's the XJT MEC who is researching PBS and actually planning on using as a test. The other MEC won't take their fingers out of their ears.

The ASA MEC is tasked with representing the ASA pilots PERIOD! The XJT MEC is tasked with representing you. The vast majority of ASA pilots prefer PBS, so our MEC should ignore you and your MEC. We can stay separate for all I and others care. You keep your beloved system and we will keep ours. Everyone is happy that way....

 

[Texx]

You guys really need to be educated on our line bidding and work rules! Too bad your MEC isn't open minded to even learn about our system (like ours is doing), much less educating you guys. Who is being u reasonable?

Bah hahahahahah!

 

[Nevets]

The ASA MEC is tasked with representing the ASA pilots PERIOD! The XJT MEC is tasked with representing you. The vast majority of ASA pilots prefer PBS, so our MEC should ignore you and your MEC. We can stay separate for all I and others care. You keep your beloved system and we will keep ours. Everyone is happy that way....

My point being that you are not being represented well when you dont have all the information available to you. But I guess ignorance is bliss. I would rather stay separate anyways.

 

[JoeMerchant]

My point being that you are not being represented well when you dont have all the information available to you. But I guess ignorance is bliss. I would rather stay separate anyways.

We have operated under both line bidding and PBS....You have only operated under line bidding. I would say that we have a better perspective than you do.

Many of us have educated ourselves about your system. Your system is only better than our old line bidding system because of the ILIW and SLIW. That implies that you have to IMPROVE your line....Many of us would prefer to have what we want to start with and not have to "improve" it.....You want the company to build the lines. I and many here want the pilots to build the lines...

We agree that staying separate is better....Let's just keep it separate...

 

[Freebrd]

:bawling: can't we all just get along:bawling:

 

[sweptback]

We have operated under both line bidding and PBS....You have only operated under line bidding. I would say that we have a better perspective than you do.

Many of us have educated ourselves about your system. Your system is only better than our old line bidding system because of the ILIW and SLIW. That implies that you have to IMPROVE your line....Many of us would prefer to have what we want to start with and not have to "improve" it.....You want the company to build the lines. I and many here want the pilots to build the lines...

We agree that staying separate is better....Let's just keep it separate...

I agree with you that I'd rather bid for pairings rather than pre-built lines.

I disagree with you that staying separate is better. ExpressJet (for some reason) has been hiring and upgrading like mad; ASA is talking about furloughing and downgrading. How are we better off separate again?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I agree with you that I'd rather bid for pairings rather than pre-built lines.

I disagree with you that staying separate is better. ExpressJet (for some reason) has been hiring and upgrading like mad; ASA is talking about furloughing and downgrading. How are we better off separate again?

We are better off separate because the XJT folks outnumber us and they don't want PBS. The only way to keep PBS is to stay separate, unless they "get religion" on the issue...If they decide to embrace PBS, then I agree that we are better off as one...As it stands now, we need to stay separate...

 

[Nevets]

We have operated under both line bidding and PBS....You have only operated under line bidding. I would say that we have a better perspective than you do.

Many of us have educated ourselves about your system. Your system is only better than our old line bidding system because of the ILIW and SLIW. That implies that you have to IMPROVE your line....Many of us would prefer to have what we want to start with and not have to "improve" it.....You want the company to build the lines. I and many here want the pilots to build the lines...

We agree that staying separate is better....Let's just keep it separate...

I know you know it's not that simple. Your PBS is not the end all be all of PBS systems. How do I know? Because our MEC has actually done research and started educating our pilots. Has your MEC done that with line bidding systems, our line bidding systems, other PBS systems?

As for our work rules, the senior people get what they want and don't need to do anything to their schedules. Everyone else that got stuck with one or more trips they don't want, or got stuck working a day they don't want, or got stuck with four day trips instead of two day trips, or got stuck only having 13 days off instead of more, or got stuck with a reduced rest overnight, or got stuck with a trip with 5 legs on day four, or got stuck with an uncommutable trip, etc etc etc, at least has a chance to change that during the ILIW and then again during the SLIW. So both systems are the same in that the senior people get what they want.

We are better off separate because the XJT folks outnumber us and they don't want PBS. The only way to keep PBS is to stay separate, unless they "get religion" on the issue...If they decide to embrace PBS, then I agree that we are better off as one...As it stands now, we need to stay separate...

We don't have to get religion. I believe that PBS is on our future. Just not your PBS and work rules. The plan is already in motion to maneuver around the intransigent MEC.

And if the plan doesnt work, I'm positive that we would absolutely br ok with staying separate until the whole ship sinks.

 

[777forever]

I know you know it's not that simple. Your PBS is not the end all be all of PBS systems. How do I know? Because our MEC has actually done research and started educating our pilots. Has your MEC done that with line bidding systems, our line bidding systems, other PBS systems?

As for our work rules, the senior people get what they want and don't need to do anything to their schedules. Everyone else that got stuck with one or more trips they don't want, or got stuck working a day they don't want, or got stuck with four day trips instead of two day trips, or got stuck only having 13 days off instead of more, or got stuck with a reduced rest overnight, or got stuck with a trip with 5 legs on day four, or got stuck with an uncommutable trip, etc etc etc, at least has a chance to change that during the ILIW and then again during the SLIW. So both systems are the same in that the senior people get what they want.



We don't have to get religion. I believe that PBS is on our future. Just not your PBS and work rules. The plan is already in motion to maneuver around the intransigent MEC.

And if the plan doesnt work, I'm positive that we would absolutely br ok with staying separate until the whole ship sinks.

Our PBS system is the best in the industry, Legacies included. Now our work rules and benefits need some work. We aim to come up to XJT's level on that at the very least. (4hr RR, 401k, etc)

 

[Nevets]

Our PBS system is the best in the industry, Legacies included. Now our work rules and benefits need some work. We aim to come up to XJT's level on that at the very least. (4hr RR, 401k, etc)

All I know is that our PBS committee has looked at your PBS and all others used. They say your PBS with your work rules or our work rules is not good for our pilots or company. They found one that is better than yours and will implement their plan on the ERJ side that your MEC rejected for the joint contract. I've gotten to play with a generic version of this PBS (none of our work rules) and its very slick.

Our side is open minded, educated on the subject, and being proactive. The other side, not so much.

 

[Freebrd]

Our PBS system is the best in the industry, Legacies included. etc)

now how do YOU know that 777? or are you just repeating what you read on here? get the binders off geez

 

[JettBoii]

PBS works for me.