Expressjet growing?

[Freebrd]

That's what I've been hearing. The two MECs can't agree and that is what's stalling negotiations.

and you can help ASA aviator 777

 

[777forever]

What can't they agree on? Seniority? Pay? Work Rules? Sceduling?

Don't know the details but I'm hearing they disagree all that, with PBS being the main obstacle

 

[777forever]

It's a shame. I just hope it doesn't turn out like US Air around here.

Yup, so much for the ALPA "brotherhood"

Pilots like to blame everyone else for their problems. They blame management, then they blame the consumer, then the government, then gate agent, then ramper, then hotel can driver etc etc. It as be proven over and over again that pilots are their own worst enemy. It utterly rediculous that two pilot groups from the same union can't see common ground.

 

[Fubijaakr]

It as be proven over and over again that pilots are their own worst enemy. It utterly rediculous that two pilot groups from the same union can't see common ground.

Really? Really? No kidding? Ya think?

 

[BOX OFFICE]

The word is ridiculous, not rediculous, moron.

 

[Nevets]

Yea cuz gojet is cheape operation and a good one too. What's your point? At least it's not buying flying like Skywest inc. which is worse buying or undercutting?

Point being that if Gojet underbids (nothing wrong with that), then why don't they do more UAX flying since they've been doing it for years already?

 

[N813CA]

All good regionals are going to loose. Comair has been for 5 years. ASA is next. Expressjet will happen when the contract expires. Gojets of the world will take all of the flying. Very sad. It's the next Mesa.

 

[princeton]

Yup, so much for the ALPA "brotherhood"

Pilots like to blame everyone else for their problems. They blame management, then they blame the consumer, then the government, then gate agent, then ramper, then hotel can driver etc etc. It as be proven over and over again that pilots are their own worst enemy. It utterly rediculous that two pilot groups from the same union can't see common ground.

Each MEC has to represent each pilot group which have different priorities.

For instance, the XJT group hates PBS and the xjt MEC is slowly trying to educate the pilot group on the positives of PBS but it will be very very difficult to get PBS passed in a joint contract.

There's no point on our MECs agreeing to something that the pilot group will reject.

 

[No Delay]

Is ASA's mec trying to educate the pilots on xjet's contract?

I am not so much for or against either contract? If we go with PBS, I want it to be because it is better. I don't want our guys selling PBS just because it's "their baby" or just to win the battle.

I hope everyone is taking a fair look at both.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I would love to hear more about Expressjets bidding method. But our MEC isn't interested in educating us.

I think they consider PBS their baby and benefit from it. They don't want to entertain the idea of any other system.

 

[79%N1]

Line bidding BITES! That said, ExpressJets swapping rules, etc are better than what ASA has. Pref Bidding buries line bidding as a pairing delivery method. That said, the only way to have so much open time left over is to have less guys receiving hard lines (i.e more guys on reserve) That would be a hard sell over on the ASA side.

 

[Freebrd]

bingo!

 

[Nevets]

Line bidding BITES! That said, ExpressJets swapping rules, etc are better than what ASA has. Pref Bidding buries line bidding as a pairing delivery method. That said, the only way to have so much open time left over is to have less guys receiving hard lines (i.e more guys on reserve) That would be a hard sell over on the ASA side.

You guys really need to be educated on our line bidding and work rules! Too bad your MEC isn't open minded to even learn about our system (like ours is doing), much less educating you guys. Who is being u reasonable?

 

[dojetdriver]

Let me help you out here to better state what you meant to say;

The way ASA had line bidding, all I can say is Line bidding BITES! However, since I've NEVER used the XJT line bid work rule system, my arguments and opinions of the XJT way are based solely on ignorance and not educating myself. That said, ExpressJets swapping rules, etc are better than what ASA has. Pref Bidding buries line bidding as a pairing delivery method. That said, the only way to have so much open time left over is to have less guys receiving hard lines (i.e more guys on reserve) That would be a hard sell over on the ASA side. However, since the XJT pairing generator created way more efficient pairings than we've seen as of yet, ASA reserve numbers went up. So basically, BOTH systems can create more pilots on reserve. SO it really doesn't matter

There, fixed it for ya'

 

[79%N1]

No...but thanks. I stand by my original statement. Line bidding bites. Who wants to sit and look through hundreds on lines, scanning every pairing, etc. I like the way PBS works and the flexibility of it. But thanks for the edit.

 

[Plainsman]

I like looking trip by trip. Don't enjoy a plate full of potluck.

 

[777forever]

I like looking trip by trip. Don't enjoy a plate full of potluck.

ASA's PBS is anything but potluck, and 1,700 pilots can vouch for that.

 

[nerjdriver]

ASA's PBS is anything but potluck, and 1,700 pilots can vouch for that.

No they won't. 2500+ pilots plus a handful of yours will vouch for that. Nice try.

 

[Baronman]

Pref bidding could be the greatest thing...XJTers resist change...period. Every change is perceived as worse.

 

[crazy8]

Pref bidding could be the greatest thing...XJTers resist change...period. Every change is perceived as worse.

I only resist change if the change is worse than what I have now. Pref biding is worse than what I have now, so yeah, I'm going to resist.