Expressjet growing?

[wms]

So it gives you a running bid result? You know that will most likely be worthless unless you're #1, right? All it will take is for somebody senior to you to change their bid and then everybody who is junior has a different bid run.

Our fas already do a running result of sorts and It's worthless.

 

[Nevets]

Our fas already do a running result of sorts and It's worthless.

What is the PBS system they use?

 

[ratherbeflyen]

As an Erj guy, myself and most other pilots I know are not drawing a line in the sand saying absolutely no pbs ever! The line is being drawn about taking more concessions in pay or quality of life. While pbs may allow more people to get trips that they want, pbs is a staffing tool. The reason management wants pbs is because it saves them money. The cost savings comes through "efficient use of pilots." Pbs reduces the number of days you have off during a week of vacation or bidding conflicts between bid periods. The net result is less days off averaged over the entire pilot group. Less days off means they don't have to hire as many pilots that equals cost savings. I already work way too many days per month/year. If pbs (ASA's or otherwise) shows up on a TA with no improvements, it will be a no vote from me. I'm not exactly sure what it would take to get me to vote yes for pbs. It's going to have to be something to offset my pending lack of days off. Something like undeniable personal drops, an increased number of days off around a week of vacation. An increase in the minimum number of days off per month, a significant increase in the duty period minimum. Then again, if you implemented provisions for pilots to get more days off the cost savings for pbs might drop or be eliminated entirely and why would management sign off on it? I think that if you took a survey of all the Erj guys, something similar to my post would be the most prevalent response.

 

[79%N1]

Pbs reduces the number of days you have off during a week of vacation .

Wrong....


The myth that PBS only gives you 7 days off in a row is totally unfounded and fear mongering. Ask any ASA guy how they do in vacation months and you will see. It has, however, been discussed ad nauseum on here.

 

[Clutch]

Wrong....


The myth that PBS only gives you 7 days off in a row is totally unfounded and fear mongering. Ask any ASA guy how they do in vacation months and you will see. It has, however, been discussed ad nauseum on here.

The PBS vacation low kicks ass...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Wrong....


The myth that PBS only gives you 7 days off in a row is totally unfounded and fear mongering. Ask any ASA guy how they do in vacation months and you will see. It has, however, been discussed ad nauseum on here.

But you don't get it...Their MEC has "educated" all of them on PBS..They know everything about everything and we can only hope to someday understand half of what these wise aviators know...We are truly lucky to be able to have them grace our presence....

 

[ratherbeflyen]

Wrong....


The myth that PBS only gives you 7 days off in a row is totally unfounded and fear mongering. Ask any ASA guy how they do in vacation months and you will see. It has, however, been discussed ad nauseum on here.

I never said you only get 7 days off for a week of vacation. My last week of vacation I was off from the 10th - 7th of the next month. 28 days off in a row, and I got my full guarantee. While your bid low may be able to get you 28 days off, will you get paid 75 hours?

 

[Clutch]

I never said you only get 7 days off for a week of vacation. My last week of vacation I was off from the 10th - 7th of the next month. 28 days off in a row, and I got my full guarantee. While your bid low may be able to get you 28 days off, will you get paid 75 hours?

Yes, moron. That's the point.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I never said you only get 7 days off for a week of vacation. My last week of vacation I was off from the 10th - 7th of the next month. 28 days off in a row, and I got my full guarantee. While your bid low may be able to get you 28 days off, will you get paid 75 hours?

I had 4 weeks of vacation this year. I turned each week into 5 weeks with PBS. I got paid 75 hours each of those months. I thought your MEC educated you on our PBS...That's what Nevets keeps saying...

 

[ratherbeflyen]

But you don't get it...Their MEC has "educated" all of them on PBS..They know everything about everything and we can only hope to someday understand half of what these wise aviators know...We are truly lucky to be able to have them grace our presence....

By no means are we all knowing, could you please explain to us the features "ignore and unstacking?"

 

[ratherbeflyen]

Several replies in seconds for bid low, but 0 responses for ignore and unstacking?

 

[COOPERVANE]

PBS Sucks!!

 

[Nevets]

But you don't get it...Their MEC has "educated" all of them on PBS..They know everything about everything and we can only hope to someday understand half of what these wise aviators know...We are truly lucky to be able to have them grace our presence....

The MEC Scheduling subcommittee members have actually said that you guys average just as much if not more consecutive days off than compared to us, especially when the vacation days straddle two months. Someone said that management likes our line bidding and work rules more because of that.

Admittedly, some of our guys don't take advantage of the information put out by the MEC. Our MEC also does a poor job at communicating.

 

[79%N1]

By no means are we all knowing, could you please explain to us the features "ignore and unstacking?"

Never been ignored, or unstacked......so don't have any info to add on that. Basically, junior people are going to work holidays, just as they will in line bidding.

 

[777forever]

Several replies in seconds for bid low, but 0 responses for ignore and unstacking?

what the hell is ignore? Never heard of it. Unstacking is when during company designated holiday months when there is too much opentime over a holiday, PBS takes the most junior lineholders schedule, wipes it clean, and rebuilds the schedule by first assigning a pairing over the holiday