DHL in talks to sell US Unit to FDX

[WickedPissa]

my wife's second cousins husband's daughter's boyfriends mom who was at walmart said she heard from her great uncles best friend who works at generations that he saw a fedex truck in ILN yesterday.... but im guessing what we all really want is jurassic jet to post another reply so we can all admire the avatar!!:beer:

I heard your daughter's brother's aunt is hot and you hooked up with her. Dude, that's your sister.

 

[AV8OR]

Ladies and gentlemen,

You have below you a fine example of the reason DHL and ABX never got along.

In the end, ABX might just have the opportunity to once again show us all hown it should be done....only without DHL's money.

So nice of you to acknowledge you don't know how to make money in the US market.



The idea to move all in one weekend just before the holiday rush was not ABX's. They recommended against it, but did their best to make it work when ordered to proceed.

BTW, the hub worked fine for Airborne. I wonder what changed? Oh, DHL came to town with Astar.



Got a newsflash for you bud. ABX is a fully independant airline. The ACMI and US law make it so. The ACMI is a contract, binding on both parties, as is the Hub Service agreement. ABX will do it as DHL asks, but when DHL was about to step on a turd ABX tried to let them know. Oh well, I guess the old saying "No good deed goes unpunished." is true after all.



Yep, they provided the maximum help they could in aiding the loss of all those billions of dollars.



That will spell the rapid and inevitable demise of DHL in the US unless the whoever operates the US domestic business for DHL retains the DHL brand name. Somehow I doubt Fedex will be willing to do that. There is no good reason why they should.

If this actually occurs I hope you have a plan for finding a new job. You'll need it. Fedex and UPS will eat DHL alive in a matter of years.[/quote]

 

[shooter]

Ladies and gentlemen,

You have below you a fine example of the reason DHL and ABX never got along.

In the end, ABX might just have the opportunity to once again show us all hown it should be done....only without DHL's money.





If this actually occurs I hope you have a plan for finding a new job. You'll need it. Fedex and UPS will eat DHL alive in a matter of years.

[/quote]

I think what you see there is called conditioning. It is a result of what TWA pointed out earlier.

2. I don't blame ABX for not bending over to DHL like daz has. They were treated like the red headed step child from day 1, and have responded accordingly.

DHL is just doing what you just did. Point and say look what they do. It's like the guy who hits his dog every time he walks by. When he walks by one time and the dog bites his butt he blames the dog for biting his "master". Thats just BS AV8OR, and you know it.

 

[stupidpilot]

Soon...to fill the empty FO slots in HKG and CDG...

Boy I hope so. I was pretty close to getting a meet-n-greet until the age 65 thing happened. I've just been treading water & hoping at my current job until hiring cranks up again. Starting to get impatient cause I'm gettin old!

Thanks for the info!

 

[NuGuy]

Great example of a superior product not making it due to Sony's lack of vision....

Funny, I thought it was because all the really good pRon was on VHS...

Nu

 

[erichartmann]

Ladies and gentlemen,

You have below you a fine example of the reason DHL and ABX never got along.

In the end, ABX might just have the opportunity to once again show us all hown it should be done....only without DHL's money.





If this actually occurs I hope you have a plan for finding a new job. You'll need it. Fedex and UPS will eat DHL alive in a matter of years.

[/quote]

Ahhh AV8OR, I really don't have the time or inclination to write a post refuting you in detail right now. Suffice it to say you don't have clue.

Regardless of what I may think or post here, my job is to get my aircraft to it's intended destination within the :15 of scheduled arrival time allowed by my employers ACMI exclusive of certain events beyond my employers control. BTW, that's on the same day it was scheduled to arrive at the destination. This I do on a routine basis, and I take considerable personal and professional pride in doing so.

 

[AV8OR]

"Regardless of what I may think or post here, my job is to get my aircraft to it's intended destination within the :15 of scheduled arrival time allowed by my employers ACMI exclusive of certain events beyond my employers control. BTW, that's on the same day it was scheduled to arrive at the destination. This I do on a routine basis, and I take considerable personal and professional pride in doing so."

I don't doubt that one bit.....seriously.

 

[flyinboxes]

Our ACMI allows us to just "get it there within the same business day". AV8OR, are they mailing the performance bonuses if you can't get by the CP's office?

 

[EuroWheenie]

Erichardonman

Let me break it down for you nice and easy:

The idea to move all in one weekend just before the holiday rush was not ABX's. They recommended against it, but did their best to make it work when ordered to proceed.

BTW, the hub worked fine for Airborne. I wonder what changed? Oh, DHL came to town with Astar.

First of all, we're very much aware that the ILN start-up was cluster fcuked to the nth degree, and all parties made monumental mistakes. One major hurdle was (and still is) lack of qualified manpower. This was, and is, an ABX problem. There were many other failures which you can lay at the door of DHL, mainly an over-ambitious schdule.

But you cannot compare the old ABX products to those offered by DHL, and stating that it worked in the olden days is not a valid argument. The world went and changed on ABX, but ABX kept sticking to their old methods which became, and still are, obsolete.

Got a newsflash for you bud. ABX is a fully independant airline. The ACMI and US law make it so. The ACMI is a contract, binding on both parties, as is the Hub Service agreement. ABX will do it as DHL asks, but when DHL was about to step on a turd ABX tried to let them know. Oh well, I guess the old saying "No good deed goes unpunished." is true after all.

I cannot remember ABX doing any good dead in the relationship with DHL, but that's not the point. Yes, by law ABX is supposed to have its indendence. Just like ASTAR. But I've go a newsflash for you, what do you think would happen if DHL told ABX to bugger off? ABX is not supposed to run anything, they're supposed to jump when asked to do so - and that's it - we should not be allowing the tail to wag the dog.

Yep, they provided the maximum help they could in aiding the loss of all those billions of dollars

Well, ASTAR has a lower cost base than ABX as the bills are settled differently. ABX asked for, and got, a very sweet deal - one that could be abused by corrupt management. Suffice to say that ABX management took greater care in maximizing their bonuses than looking out for the general well-being of their customer (without whom, we have already established, they'd be confined to the history books).

If this actually occurs I hope you have a plan for finding a new job. You'll need it. Fedex and UPS will eat DHL alive in a matter of years

Here's a newsflash for you: There is a world outside the United States. I know, I know, it's hard to belive. Furthermore, DHL generates less than 15% of revenue from the US operation, more than half of which is import TO the US. You might also like to known that on a world-wide basis DHL commands roughly 50% of the world market. Last but not least, the yields in the US market are amongst the lowest in the world. Ipso facto, moving out of the US domestic will not spell the end of DHL. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[EuroWheenie]

Box hauler

You show your lack of understanding the difference between US and Europe by stating that customers will only us DHL for international. As Shooter explained that will not happen. We as a country want everything in a one stop shop (Wal-Mart). We will not go to DHL to ship international when FedUPS will do it for us. I will say it again. If DHL does not service every city in the U.S. somehow, they will be gone world wide in 5 years.

That is very far from being the truth. We work with several clients in the US who utilise the services of DHL on selected markets only. Could be because we are the only ones who serve that market at times that fit the client, could be because we're cheaper. Likewise, major clients of DHL are also using FedEx, UPS or TNT for the same reasons as above.

US companies are not more ignorant than other companies, and the logistics process is a tad more complicated than shopping at Wal-Mart.

You try book a shipment with FedEx or UPS to Kabul, Kandahar, Fallujah or Mosul and tell me how it went.

As the US market (excluding import) only accounts for around 7-8% of revenue, I think we'll be able to survive. Like I told Eric, there is a mighty big world outside the US and that just happens to be the part where DHL is much, much larger than FedEx, UPS and TNT - roughly the same size as those 3 combined. Looking to the future, it lies in Asia-Asia, Europe-Asia, US-Asia, Africa-Asia and Europe-Asia - in that order. And guess what, we're perfectly positioned for that.

You don't really know a whole lot about international logistics, do you?

 

[EuroWheenie]

Further to my previous, just had a communication from HQ on the new LCAG/DHL joint venture airline "Aero-Logic".

It'll launch out of LEJ in the summer of 2009 with an order for 8 + 3 options for the 777LR Freighter.

I quote from the press release:

Probable route network on weekdays: ​

Singapore, Bangkok, Dubai, Bombay, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Seoul, Nagoya, Almaty, East Midlands, Milan. ​

Probable network at weekends: Shanghai, Astana, Singapore, Bangkok, Sharjah, Hong Kong, Chicago, New York​

2 US destinations in total, both of which will be with LH freight only. In other words, the US is not where the future of the company lies.​

 

[AV8OR]

Hey Euro....

Check your PM's.

AV8OR

Also....

It's my understanding, the Luft/DHL company is looking for pilots. Have any idea if a yank has a chance with that operation?

 

[DC8 Express]

>>>>>>>>>>>You don't really know a whole lot about international logistics, do you?<<<<<<<<<<<<

Eurowheenie, just your stupid name and icon of some chick with her butt sticking out leads me to believe you are an idiot with nothing more than a 10 dollar bill hanging out of your pocket to join this forum. Everything you spout is bull or can be read on other forums.

FYI, yes ABX has helped DHL numerous times. What about the DC-9 that ABX agreed to pull from San Juan prior to the end of the first year during the status quo. ABX did not have to do that but they did so DHL could get bigger equipment to better service the customers. You talk out of your a**

 

[EuroWheenie]

Chances of US nationals joining Aero-Logic? I don't see why not, provided they've got a JAR ticket and the right to live and work in the EU.

DC8 Express

Wow, why thank you for the kind words. A true gentleman. And you provide an example of how ABX "pulled" an aircraft. Amazing. You do know how ABX is paid, right? Hardly a bad move, financially, by ABX to do some additional flying for DHL. I could provide you with numerous examples of how ABX has actively been obstructing the company, some of which could be perceived as outright illegal. But I won't have a libel case rammed down my throat so shall refrain from doing so in public.

Now instead of hurling insults and concentrating on something as irrelevant as a name and avatar, why don't you spend a moment or two and educate us with your vast knowledge of international logistics. With the statements you threw at me, you just got to have a ph.d or MBA in this area. I am standing by, Sir, to learn.

PS
We use dollar bills to wipe our behinds this side of the pond. The correct currency over here is the Euro. But you knew that already, didn't you?

 

[ABXbooger]

DPWN dismisses DHL Express sale

28-Jan-2008 : THE sale of DHL Express US “can be completely ruled out”, said owner Deutsche Post World Net.

The statement came in response to last week’s media reports that DPWN was in talks with FedEx about selling its US express assets.

DPWN said the company will “retain a significant presence” in the US but added that DHL’s US operations must “reduce the level of operating losses.”

“Work continues to identify the optimal solution to performance improvements in the US Express business,” said DPWN. The company’s 2007 results were “in line with its expectations and guidance of around 3.7 billion euros EBIT before non-recurring effects”.

DPWN still expects the Express division to make “consistent progress” in underlying profit and to reach an EBIT of between 900 million euros and 1.1 billion euros in 2009.

 

[shooter]

Great, more euro-trash spreading their anti-American ignorance. Yes weenie, we know our dollar is not in the best shape as of late, but not too long ago your kind clamored to get their hands on our dollar. And if you really want to go back a stretch lets talk about the other times Germans felt the need to stretch their legs across your precious EU and who went there to stand up for you. And as a matter of keeping it within the DHL topic, the USA has close to 50% of all parcel business in the world. That is the reason DHL not only wants to be here, but needs to be here. If you do not understand that sir, you are are truly ignorant to this business.

Keep your euro-trash on your side of the pond or show some respect, thank you.

 

[Flyer8]

Conquest..

I read somewhere that the Germans were unsuccessful in using warfare to conquer the world...Now they are simply going to buy it!

 

[nitefr8dog]

Our ACMI allows us to just "get it there within the same business day". AV8OR, are they mailing the performance bonuses if you can't get by the CP's office?

Like Yoda said "and that is why you fail!"

 

[hvydriver]

Like Yoda said "and that is why you fail!"

You're right dog. I only wish that we'd had the wisdom to get on board with the C container program. Things might be different. I am simply appalled that a 40 Billion dollar global company won't take the advice of fine minds like yours. We're doomed I tell you. Doomed!

 

[HeavyjetDC8]

EuroWheenie: But you cannot compare the old ABX products to those offered by DHL, and stating that it worked in the olden days is not a valid argument. The world went and changed on ABX, but ABX kept sticking to their old methods which became, and still are, obsolete.

What products? The product is to get the package to the customer within a set time frame.

You must be spewing forth snippets of wisdom from the brave world of the DHL newage management manual where less in the way of on-time delivery is more and money magically generates itself from incompetence.

Viewed from such a warped perspective the old ABX business model which consistently generated profit would indeed be viewed as obsolete.

Delivering packages on time. Not very exciting I know, and totally unimaginative, but it did make money.

The only product is the package, or are you weenie inhabitants of DHL Euroworld now also offering the customer a massage upon delivery along with a nice cup of tea with the option of doing the week's grocery shop or neutering their cat?

Pure and simple: on this side of the pond a package delivered on time is both the product and the profit.