Delta's ANC base done in DEC

[clippyrip]

It's official, management had an impromptu town hall meeting in AK this week and ANC is done in Dec.

 

[General Lee]

It's official, management had an impromptu town hall meeting in AK this week and ANC is done in Dec.

That does suk. I was told by an FAA type last week that DL was maybe reconsidering that move.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[clippyrip]

Just spoke with the Chief pilot today and that was the latest. If there is a chance I will hold onto it like a kid with a lollipop from the fair but this news makes my grip weak.

The writing on the wall comes in the form of manuals. All the fleet departments are busting tail to transition the manuals to the Delta format and there is not a peep in the 747-200 department about it. I think that says it all.

 

[Singlecoil]

I saw a Delta painted 757 with winglets in ANC today and the tail number ended in NW. Amazing stuff.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

I saw a Delta painted 757 with winglets in ANC today and the tail number ended in NW. Amazing stuff.

Sure it didn't end in TW?

 

[Tanker Clown]

Looks like the writing is on the wall. When is the bad news going to start going out to the junior guys. My buddy is a very junior Delta guy. He says he thinks he'll be on the street by the end of the year.

 

[FBN0223]

Furloughs are coming but not until after the SOC.

At the very least, it would be nice to ALPA renegotiate pay rates on the EMB175 to give Delta pilots credit for longevity. The pay difference for Capt. on the EMB175 is significant, from $60/hr to around 80/hr for those who have 8-10 years.

 

[767/757]

Just spoke with the Chief pilot today and that was the latest. If there is a chance I will hold onto it like a kid with a lollipop from the fair but this news makes my grip weak.

The writing on the wall comes in the form of manuals. All the fleet departments are busting tail to transition the manuals to the Delta format and there is not a peep in the 747-200 department about it. I think that says it all.

Are not the 74-200 flying Mil charter for the next 12 months?

 

[180ToTheMarker]

Furloughs are coming but not until after the SOC.

Whats your source? I don't believe it until ACL65 says it...

 

[Tanker Clown]

From what I'm hearing, Furloughs are pretty much a certainty at the Big D. A new round of airline Ch 11 filings are about to start as well. Good luck guys.

 

[EMBpilot]

Delta needs Narita slots for more lucrative pax operation.
Cargo could be spooled up fast later if needed.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

DAL is focusing on under wing cargo. We will have the option to convert the 744's to freighters down the road, but for now we are happy with how our new cargo venture is working.

 

[clippyrip]

Are not the 74-200 flying Mil charter for the next 12 months?

That will fit in with closing down the 747-200 in Dec from what I am told. I am also speaking about the ANC base and the freighters. The two pax planes in MSP may go a bit longer but it's not for sure. I think the ultimate intent is to have it done before SOC.

 

[FDJ2]

I think the ultimate intent is to have it done before SOC.

DAL won't spend the money putting 747-200s on the certificate, so the 747-200 operation should close down prior to SOC. The freight operation is losing boot loads of money.

In general, the 747's time has come and gone, the 400 will stay a little longer.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

This is probably just incidental, but I've also heard rumor that Alaska will be starting an ANC-MSP route. I guess that would fit in with the plans to close the base.

Sorry, guys. Good luck.

 

[contrail67]

It's official, management had an impromptu town hall meeting in AK this week and ANC is done in Dec.

United did this about 6 months ago....

 

[Fly4hire]

DAL won't spend the money putting 747-200s on the certificate, so the 747-200 operation should close down prior to SOC. The freight operation is losing boot loads of money.

In general, the 747's time has come and gone, the 400 will stay a little longer.

The base may be closing in DEC, not so sure the 742 - if there are contracts to be flown that make money it will keep flying, but perhaps based elsewhere. Regardless the acft will not disappear until post SOC so they can absorb the ~150 pilots left across a larger fleet so as to minimize staffing impact....

 

[contrail67]

From what I'm hearing, Furloughs are pretty much a certainty at the Big D. A new round of airline Ch 11 filings are about to start as well. Good luck guys.

And what is your source for saying that a new round of Ch11 filings are in the works?

 

[Fubijaakr]

They'll get their ANC base back when the AS/DL merger goes through.

 

[General Lee]

The base may be closing in DEC, not so sure the 742 - if there are contracts to be flown that make money it will keep flying, but perhaps based elsewhere. Regardless the acft will not disappear until post SOC so they can absorb the ~150 pilots left across a larger fleet so as to minimize staffing impact....

If a displacement happens prior to SOC, then FNWA pilots will be affected. There would likely be a displacement bid well before the actual base closing. If any 742s do remain, my guess would be they would be a part of the MSP 742 base, flying those MAC contracts.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FmrFreightDog]

If a displacement happens prior to SOC, then FNWA pilots will be affected. There would likely be a displacement bid well before the actual base closing. If any 742s do remain, my guess would be they would be a part of the MSP 742 base, flying those MAC contracts.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Question is, if the MAC thing stays lucrative (it is very lucrative at the moment), and ANC closes, how difficult would it be to throw seats into a few of the freighters? Any airplane can be profitable if the government is paying the bill (for now, at least...)

 

[andyd]

Well I heard from a friends neighbors ex-wifes hairdresser that the Anc cargo ops manager....she type....that sold her house in Anchorage in December and bought in Seattle in anticapation of the anc shutdown/move to sea ops! and ya know, if the hairdresser told ya it be da truth!!!

 

[Buzo]

Well I heard from a friends neighbors ex-wifes hairdresser that the Anc cargo ops manager....she type....that sold her house in Anchorage in December and bought in Seattle in anticapation of the anc shutdown/move to sea ops! and ya know, if the hairdresser told ya it be da truth!!!

She was the Seattle base manager already. She moved her office there this past fall.

 

[FDJ2]

Regardless the acft will not disappear until post SOC so they can absorb the ~150 pilots left across a larger fleet so as to minimize staffing impact....

Possible, but I very much doubt it. A displacement is a displacement, there is nothing to be gained by holding on to positions for aircraft that are losing money and being parked just to spread the displacements over a larger pool. It's still "x" amount of displacements. We're only talking about ~3% of the fNWA positions. That's not an overwhelming shock to the system, particularly when much of the impact of the displacements will probably be absorbed by moving the fNWA pilots to DAL manning formulas at a measured pace. A displacement bid will happen long before the aircraft are ultimately parked, there may be an advanced entitlement bid posted simultaneously to cover any increased staffing requirements due to the application of DAL manning requirements. Staffing impact solved.

 

[Monster Buck]

And what is your source for saying that a new round of Ch11 filings are in the works?

Hey contrail, we don't respond to this POS, its an unwritten rule. That is why no one has responded to it. I just wanted to keep you from a useless flamer.

 

[turbodriver]

Delta had an ANC base?!?!

Unless you're refering to the former NWA 747 cargo base........

 

[Fly4hire]

A displacement bid will happen long before the aircraft are ultimately parked, there may be an advanced entitlement bid posted simultaneously to cover any increased staffing requirements due to the application of DAL manning requirements. Staffing impact solved.

True enough - I guess the question is when the acft are actually parked, which is still an open question and where the displacements are to and new positions are created.

My guess is few ANC pilots will follow the 742 to MSP (or other bases only to be displaced again when they are ultimately parked) and most will displace to SEA on the 330. If SEA then changes to primarily 76ER post SOC and the 330 goes to other bases, your minimal staffing impact goes out the window with multiple waterfall training cycles on a single pre-SOC displacement.

Factoring acft/base changes that there will be, it may well make more sense to wait post SOC......

 

[clippyrip]

They'll get their ANC base back when the AS/DL merger goes through.

I hope this happens soon. I am going to go from barely getting 50 hours in 6 months and living in base to commuting for the DC9 and hot bunking. Boo.

 

[DTW320]

Possible, but I very much doubt it. A displacement is a displacement, there is nothing to be gained by holding on to positions for aircraft that are losing money and being parked just to spread the displacements over a larger pool. It's still "x" amount of displacements. We're only talking about ~3% of the fNWA positions. That's not an overwhelming shock to the system, particularly when much of the impact of the displacements will probably be absorbed by moving the fNWA pilots to DAL manning formulas at a measured pace. A displacement bid will happen long before the aircraft are ultimately parked, there may be an advanced entitlement bid posted simultaneously to cover any increased staffing requirements due to the application of DAL manning requirements. Staffing impact solved.

You're talking about displacement bids and advance entitlement bids, etc...but when does the NWA APA system expire? I haven't taken the time to look it up and am not sure if that is a BP5 thing or not, but as it currently stands, DEC 2009 positions for NWA pilots will be determined on the APA that closes 8/05/09. If they are going to displace 747-200 pilots from ANC effective 12/09 it would have to be done on the August APA effective for December.

 

[FBN0223]

You're talking about displacement bids and advance entitlement bids, etc...but when does the NWA APA system expire? I haven't taken the time to look it up and am not sure if that is a BP5 thing or not, but as it currently stands, DEC 2009 positions for NWA pilots will be determined on the APA that closes 8/05/09. If they are going to displace 747-200 pilots from ANC effective 12/09 it would have to be done on the August APA effective for December.

Last NW APA is August 09.