Delta's ANC base done in DEC

[FmrFreightDog]

If a displacement happens prior to SOC, then FNWA pilots will be affected. There would likely be a displacement bid well before the actual base closing. If any 742s do remain, my guess would be they would be a part of the MSP 742 base, flying those MAC contracts.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Question is, if the MAC thing stays lucrative (it is very lucrative at the moment), and ANC closes, how difficult would it be to throw seats into a few of the freighters? Any airplane can be profitable if the government is paying the bill (for now, at least...)

 

[andyd]

Well I heard from a friends neighbors ex-wifes hairdresser that the Anc cargo ops manager....she type....that sold her house in Anchorage in December and bought in Seattle in anticapation of the anc shutdown/move to sea ops! and ya know, if the hairdresser told ya it be da truth!!!

 

[Buzo]

Well I heard from a friends neighbors ex-wifes hairdresser that the Anc cargo ops manager....she type....that sold her house in Anchorage in December and bought in Seattle in anticapation of the anc shutdown/move to sea ops! and ya know, if the hairdresser told ya it be da truth!!!

She was the Seattle base manager already. She moved her office there this past fall.

 

[FDJ2]

Regardless the acft will not disappear until post SOC so they can absorb the ~150 pilots left across a larger fleet so as to minimize staffing impact....

Possible, but I very much doubt it. A displacement is a displacement, there is nothing to be gained by holding on to positions for aircraft that are losing money and being parked just to spread the displacements over a larger pool. It's still "x" amount of displacements. We're only talking about ~3% of the fNWA positions. That's not an overwhelming shock to the system, particularly when much of the impact of the displacements will probably be absorbed by moving the fNWA pilots to DAL manning formulas at a measured pace. A displacement bid will happen long before the aircraft are ultimately parked, there may be an advanced entitlement bid posted simultaneously to cover any increased staffing requirements due to the application of DAL manning requirements. Staffing impact solved.

 

[Monster Buck]

And what is your source for saying that a new round of Ch11 filings are in the works?

Hey contrail, we don't respond to this POS, its an unwritten rule. That is why no one has responded to it. I just wanted to keep you from a useless flamer.

 

[turbodriver]

Delta had an ANC base?!?!

Unless you're refering to the former NWA 747 cargo base........

 

[Fly4hire]

A displacement bid will happen long before the aircraft are ultimately parked, there may be an advanced entitlement bid posted simultaneously to cover any increased staffing requirements due to the application of DAL manning requirements. Staffing impact solved.

True enough - I guess the question is when the acft are actually parked, which is still an open question and where the displacements are to and new positions are created.

My guess is few ANC pilots will follow the 742 to MSP (or other bases only to be displaced again when they are ultimately parked) and most will displace to SEA on the 330. If SEA then changes to primarily 76ER post SOC and the 330 goes to other bases, your minimal staffing impact goes out the window with multiple waterfall training cycles on a single pre-SOC displacement.

Factoring acft/base changes that there will be, it may well make more sense to wait post SOC......

 

[clippyrip]

They'll get their ANC base back when the AS/DL merger goes through.

I hope this happens soon. I am going to go from barely getting 50 hours in 6 months and living in base to commuting for the DC9 and hot bunking. Boo.

 

[DTW320]

Possible, but I very much doubt it. A displacement is a displacement, there is nothing to be gained by holding on to positions for aircraft that are losing money and being parked just to spread the displacements over a larger pool. It's still "x" amount of displacements. We're only talking about ~3% of the fNWA positions. That's not an overwhelming shock to the system, particularly when much of the impact of the displacements will probably be absorbed by moving the fNWA pilots to DAL manning formulas at a measured pace. A displacement bid will happen long before the aircraft are ultimately parked, there may be an advanced entitlement bid posted simultaneously to cover any increased staffing requirements due to the application of DAL manning requirements. Staffing impact solved.

You're talking about displacement bids and advance entitlement bids, etc...but when does the NWA APA system expire? I haven't taken the time to look it up and am not sure if that is a BP5 thing or not, but as it currently stands, DEC 2009 positions for NWA pilots will be determined on the APA that closes 8/05/09. If they are going to displace 747-200 pilots from ANC effective 12/09 it would have to be done on the August APA effective for December.

 

[FBN0223]

You're talking about displacement bids and advance entitlement bids, etc...but when does the NWA APA system expire? I haven't taken the time to look it up and am not sure if that is a BP5 thing or not, but as it currently stands, DEC 2009 positions for NWA pilots will be determined on the APA that closes 8/05/09. If they are going to displace 747-200 pilots from ANC effective 12/09 it would have to be done on the August APA effective for December.

Last NW APA is August 09.

 

[DTW320]

Last NW APA is August 09.

Well there you go then. If they have to displace 747-200 pilots out of the position in December then it will be done on the NWA side if SOC does not happen until 12/31/09. If they need any 747-200 flying in December they will have to leave pilots in the positions, who would then not be displaced until Jan 2010 at the earliest. If that is after SOC then those pilots can displace into any DAL seat they can hold except 777.

 

[johnsonrod]

Well there you go then. If they have to displace 747-200 pilots out of the position in December then it will be done on the NWA side if SOC does not happen until 12/31/09. If they need any 747-200 flying in December they will have to leave pilots in the positions, who would then not be displaced until Jan 2010 at the earliest. If that is after SOC then those pilots can displace into any DAL seat they can hold except 777.

Don't you guys have two 747-200 bases, one in Anchorage and one in MSP? Could they leave the smaller one for the 747-200 passenger MAC services, and close the larger one in Anchorage? How many are based at each base?

 

[Green Banana]

They'll get their ANC base back when the AS/DL merger goes through.

Fight with tooth and nail!

 

[Buzo]

Don't you guys have two 747-200 bases, one in Anchorage and one in MSP? Could they leave the smaller one for the 747-200 passenger MAC services, and close the larger one in Anchorage? How many are based at each base?

The 200 is not going to be around past SOC. The plane will be here until 12/31 or SOC, whichever comes first. They are not going to transer the 200 to the DAL certificate, they are re-writing all of our manuals, except for the 200.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The 200 is not going to be around past SOC. The plane will be here until 12/31 or SOC, whichever comes first. They are not going to transer the 200 to the DAL certificate, they are re-writing all of our manuals, except for the 200.

Yep, that is what I am hearing too.

 

[clippyrip]

The 200 is not going to be around past SOC. The plane will be here until 12/31 or SOC, whichever comes first. They are not going to transer the 200 to the DAL certificate, they are re-writing all of our manuals, except for the 200.

I love the 200. If it's up to me I'll take the last one to the desert. Once we park I would probably have to take a dump in the toilet just to sign off on my best flying gig thus far. Seems like the right thing to do.

 

[clippyrip]

Fight with tooth and nail!

Everyone of my buddies over there dreads the idea of a merger. Personally, it's the only way I see myself getting back to ANC so I rooting against you. No hard feelings.

 

[nwaredtail]

If a displacement happens prior to SOC, then FNWA pilots will be affected. There would likely be a displacement bid well before the actual base closing. If any 742s do remain, my guess would be they would be a part of the MSP 742 base, flying those MAC contracts.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Sorry to disappoint General, I know how much you would be disappointed if "just" NWA guys would be affected by the parking of aircraft. The last NWA APA (placement award) will be in August and then the next one will be after the combined SOC. (per a memo from the joint transition team) NWA is approx 200 short for summer and 250-400 short for the trip rig transition. 180 or so ANC guys will not cause any furloughs from the "NWA" side.

RA knows that this would cause HUGE animosity, thus the pain will be shared, guaranteed.

Add on the fact that the A330 fleet guys are saying we may see 10 more quickly.......

 

[767/757]

The last NWA APA (placement award) will be in August and then the next one will be after the combined SOC. (per a memo from the joint transition team) NWA is approx 200 short for summer and 250-400 short for the trip rig transition.

Add on the fact that the A330 fleet guys are saying we may see 10 more quickly.......

This is ALL good news, No?

 

[propdog]

Add on the fact that the A330 fleet guys are saying we may see 10 more quickly.......

I've been hearing that rumour for the last six months. Any new info. on it?