Delta

[jonjuan]

When you negotiate Red, you have to give and take. Other parts of the contract were good, some not as good, but better. You guys almost allowed reserve in Hawaii, but then you dropped your ETOPS app for an indefinite amount of time. Also, that calendar day only accounts for a select few number of flights, most days are worth 5:15. A standard 4 day is worth at least 21 hours. But, I do INTL trips for 6 days worth 40 hours, which is much better than your 6.5 average for a 4 day. You lose. It's called variety! Too bad about your lack of Hawaii flying. Oh well. Aloha!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Who is tending to the wife while you are half way around the world on a 6 day?

 

[General Lee]

Who is tending to the wife while you are half way around the world on a 6 day?

When you do 2 six day trips, that means you have 18 off, and that could be 18 in a row if you want. That is fantastic, and you Corndogs can't really do that. You have 30 in 7 constraints, but not for INTL. As far as my wife goes, she's very happy, thanks! How is your husband?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Linedriver]

So riddle me this Batman!! Anyone who can answer..

I agree that SWA has got the staffing done right. Why can't we do that at Delta?? It doesn't make any sense to staff for a minority of the time and pay the salaries, health benefits, retirements and taxes the other 9 months of the year. I tried all summer to get green slips and got one. And....my average month in the off peak season is about 10 hours less than the summer...

It's much cheaper and more efficient for the company to fly us and send us home. Get us out of the hotels and off per diem. The air line should want to fly us 8 hours a day and send us home wet and tired....

I don't mean to turn this into a union thread but who is staffing the air line here? It feels like the tail is wagging the dog. We have an opportunity moving forward to staff lean and get a little more time at home. That message needs to be heard loud and clear.

 

[SplitBar]

Why are we talking southwest on a delta thread??

Because there are a few SWA pilots on this forum who have nothing better to do that post on Delta threads.

 

[General Lee]

So riddle me this Batman!! Anyone who can answer..

I agree that SWA has got the staffing done right. Why can't we do that at Delta?? It doesn't make any sense to staff for a minority of the time and pay the salaries, health benefits, retirements and taxes the other 9 months of the year. I tried all summer to get green slips and got one. And....my average month in the off peak season is about 10 hours less than the summer...

It's much cheaper and more efficient for the company to fly us and send us home. Get us out of the hotels and off per diem. The air line should want to fly us 8 hours a day and send us home wet and tired....

I don't mean to turn this into a union thread but who is staffing the air line here? It feels like the tail is wagging the dog. We have an opportunity moving forward to staff lean and get a little more time at home. That message needs to be heard loud and clear.

I believe DL has cut back on capacity, and that also normally happens during the Fall and Winter. Delta has always made it's big money during the Spring and Summer. People don't go to Europe as much during the Fall, so not all of the flights are daily or they are even cut during that time. If Europe financially got it's act back together, maybe there would be some additional flights in the "off season". For the first time ever since DL started the routes via the Pan Am aquisition (Europe), DL will not be flying from JFK to Rome at all during the Winter. That is how bad it is.

On the other side, Asia is doing better, and so is South America. DL will likely add more Asia flights and S America flights soon. Domestically, DL is taking back a lot of the regional flights while parking RJs. DC9s have started flying back to Chatanooga, Wilmington, Fayatteville, Ashville, etc. A319s are starting Roanoke to ATL, and MD88s started Des Moines from ATL. All of those had mainly RJs flying them, and now mainline has returned. Also, have you seen the NFL, NCAA, NBA, and MAC charters DL has been doing lately? A huge upswing in those, which helps when there is spare capacity available.

But again, DL seems to be more of a Spring/Summer airline. When people start to retire enmasse, then lines will be higher, and as newhires go to training and other pilots bid Capt on 717s etc, those lines will be higher. It just has taken a bit more time because of the capacity reduction.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Because there are a few SWA pilots on this forum who have nothing better to do that post on Delta threads.

And an equal # of DAL who post on swa-
It was rhetorical though

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

So riddle me this Batman!! Anyone who can answer..

I agree that SWA has got the staffing done right. Why can't we do that at Delta?? It doesn't make any sense to staff for a minority of the time and pay the salaries, health benefits, retirements and taxes the other 9 months of the year. I tried all summer to get green slips and got one. And....my average month in the off peak season is about 10 hours less than the summer...

It's much cheaper and more efficient for the company to fly us and send us home. Get us out of the hotels and off per diem. The air line should want to fly us 8 hours a day and send us home wet and tired....

I don't mean to turn this into a union thread but who is staffing the air line here? It feels like the tail is wagging the dog. We have an opportunity moving forward to staff lean and get a little more time at home. That message needs to be heard loud and clear.

Let me answer.....so you want to lean out so YOU can get green slips? Double pay trip rather than just straight time pickups like the SWA guys speak of? If you need the cash, switch jets and goto something that makes you senior and if you are, then switch to something bigger.....we are overmanned due to Intl cutbacks, something we all have to get used to until things get better there.

I like the airline fat right now, I have never had a better chance to change or adjust my schedule under this BK BS era of contracts. Its great rather than seeing CAPPED.

I do agree with you about the schedules being super productive. The company has allowed Carmen to build the skeds which has boatloads of sitting around with ZERO credit time added in and ALPA just defends it to justify more productivity.

They try to compare us to southwest only in productivity but never account for nine plane types and the mission being different......BUT I digress......

 

[SWA Bubba]

Because there are a few SWA pilots on this forum who have nothing better to do that post on Delta threads.

While maybe true enough sometimes, this time it was Bill Lumberg (a Delta guy) comparing someting to Southwest, and then asking a Southwest question. Question was answered; discussion ensued. At least it's not a childish slamfest (for the most part).

Bubba

 

[SplitBar]

And an equal # of DAL who post on swa-
It was rhetorical though

Yeah, never said there weren't. Your both equal tools for being habitual posters of crap on the other guys threads. Grow up and get a life.

 

[General Lee]

Yeah, never said there weren't. Your both equal tools for being habitual posters of crap on the other guys threads. Grow up and get a life.

So, you can't have fun or point out differences on an anonymous website? OKAY......Mayor Bloomberg....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

21 is the MIN on a 4 day trip at DL, not the max. There are plenty of 4 day domestic trips worth over 24 hours, and 5 day trips worth close to 30 hours, some over with a DH.

Bye Bye---General Lee

Same here General. Both are minimums. Your 4 day min is 21, ours is 26.

A 5 day worth 30? I'll take our 4 day worth 30+ and spend day 5 at home. Big differences in schedule and pay as pointed out by Bill actually. Hopefully you guys can get more productivity the next time around (not meant as flame).

 

[SplitBar]

So, you can't have fun or point out differences on an anonymous website? OKAY......Mayor Bloomberg....


Bye Bye---General Lee

General, you guys are beyond the point of fun and just pointing out differences. You guys are hateful and spiteful towards one another and do nothing but bash each other. If that's what gets your rocks off then press on. I got better things to do than read SWA threads yet alone post on them in a habitual manner.

 

[General Lee]

General, you guys are beyond the point of fun and just pointing out differences. You guys are hateful and spiteful towards one another and do nothing but bash each other. If that's what gets your rocks off then press on. I got better things to do than read SWA threads yet alone post on them in a habitual manner.

Welcome to FI. Have a good one.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[pave driver]

Hiring...Why?

I think it's going to be a while.

http://atwonline.com/airline-finance-data/news/delta-maintain-capacity-while-cutting-fleet-size-0917

 

[SplitBar]

I think it's going to be a while.

http://atwonline.com/airline-finance-data/news/delta-maintain-capacity-while-cutting-fleet-size-0917

The majority of the capacity cut they are talking about is DCI.

 

[pave driver]

The majority of the capacity cut they are talking about is DCI.

OK. So the "15% fewer aircraft" are all RJs.

 

[General Lee]

I think it's going to be a while.

http://atwonline.com/airline-finance-data/news/delta-maintain-capacity-while-cutting-fleet-size-0917

Did you read that article? Here it is:



Delta to maintain capacity while cutting fleet size

By Karen Walker


Delta Air Lines’ (DL) fleet restructuring plan will leave it with 15% fewer aircraft but capacity will be maintained at current levels, a company executive said Monday.

Speaking at the Boyd Group International Aviation Forecast Summit in Dallas, DL senior VP financial planning, analysis and investor relations Gary Chase said the carrier’s regional jet fleet will be reduced by 200 aircraft or more by 2015.

“A portion of our fleet that sticks out like a sore thumb is the 50-seat aircraft,” Chase said.

By phasing out smaller aircraft and replacing them with larger, more efficient aircraft, Chase said DL will increase revenues, lower costs, maintain capacity discipline and improve the customer experience.
DL will close down its Comair regional subsidiary from the end of September.


In May, Southwest Airlines and DL announced an agreement in which DL will sublease the 88 Boeing 717s that SWA inherited in its acquisition of AirTran Airways. The 717s will replace DC-9s and 50-seat Bombardier CRJs.






DL will also be aquiring more MD90s (25 or so), and get 100 739ERs, although the 739s will be replacing one for one older 767-300Dom, older 757s, and some A320s close to the cycle limit. The 17 DC9s remaining will be replaced by the 25 MD90s, and the 88 717s will replace 76 and 70 seaters on their current routes, as they replace outgoing 50 seaters.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[pave driver]

Thank you.

Did you read that article? Here it is:



Delta to maintain capacity while cutting fleet size

By Karen Walker


Delta Air Lines’ (DL) fleet restructuring plan will leave it with 15% fewer aircraft but capacity will be maintained at current levels, a company executive said Monday.

Speaking at the Boyd Group International Aviation Forecast Summit in Dallas, DL senior VP financial planning, analysis and investor relations Gary Chase said the carrier’s regional jet fleet will be reduced by 200 aircraft or more by 2015.

“A portion of our fleet that sticks out like a sore thumb is the 50-seat aircraft,” Chase said.

By phasing out smaller aircraft and replacing them with larger, more efficient aircraft, Chase said DL will increase revenues, lower costs, maintain capacity discipline and improve the customer experience.
DL will close down its Comair regional subsidiary from the end of September.


In May, Southwest Airlines and DL announced an agreement in which DL will sublease the 88 Boeing 717s that SWA inherited in its acquisition of AirTran Airways. The 717s will replace DC-9s and 50-seat Bombardier CRJs.






DL will also be aquiring more MD90s (25 or so), and get 100 739ERs, although the 739s will be replacing one for one older 767-300Dom, older 757s, and some A320s close to the cycle limit. The 17 DC9s remaining will be replaced by the 25 MD90s, and the 88 717s will replace 76 and 70 seaters on their current routes, as they replace outgoing 50 seaters.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Thank you.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

The memo that just came out confirmed the Oct bid to now be small with a bigger bid in jan. Hiring unlikely this year... carry on.

 

[SLUF4]

The memo that just came out confirmed the Oct bid to now be small with a bigger bid in jan. Hiring unlikely this year... carry on.

Have you ever noticed how the next one is always "the big one?"