Delta TA on SCOPE

[PCL_128]

Riddle me this smart guy. How does SWA compete with no RJs?

SWA has a completely different business model that is based around a domestic point-to-point system. Delta (and all of the other legacies) have an international business model that uses hub-and-spoke to connect passengers to their international flights, which are really their money makers. What works for SWA doesn't work for Delta, and vice versa.

 

[KarmaPolice]

SWA has a completely different business model that is based around a domestic point-to-point system. Delta (and all of the other legacies) have an international business model that uses hub-and-spoke to connect passengers to their international flights, which are really their money makers. What works for SWA doesn't work for Delta, and vice versa.

Now that Delta has several domestic hubs, you'd be surprised by how much more point to point our system is. That's an old argument. We make a lot of money on both our domestic and international system.

RJs are required to connect passengers to hubs to fly an international flight? Some smaller markets deserve RJ service, but DELTA is flying NINE RJS a day between Cinci and LaGuardia. NINE!!!! And that's just one route. WE DON'T NEED THIS MANY RJS. WE CAN FEED OUR NETWORK WITH MAINLINE JETS.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I just want to see a summary of what the ALPA guys were thinking. I can try to read the TA, but I would have to hire a lawyer to do that.

Bye Bye---General Lee

The NN is out, and it is misleading.

It makes you think they really are tightening scope. What they are really doing is taking credit for high fuel prices dooming the 50 seaters.

As has been said before. DCI will get 70 MORE 70-76 seaters if we ratify this. In my opinion, we'd be better off under old scope provisions. Let them fly the 50 seaters if they want (but they won't because they know they are losing money) Let's keep 70-76 seaters capped at 255.

 

[PCL_128]

Some smaller markets deserve RJ service, but DELTA is flying NINE RJS a day between Cinci and LaGuardia. NINE!!!!

Yeah, I'm with you there. As far as I'm concerned. slot controlled airports shouldn't even allow RJ service. Flying RJs from LGA to major cities is ridiculous.

 

[i fly boxes]

Hey delta guys, with the purchase of the 717's or lease i should say, doesnt management now have you backed in a corner? Under your current agreement, as mainline aircraft are added, can they not add 3 76 seat aircraft per every one mainline aircraft? Under your TA there can only be 233 crj 900's In other words, if the TA fails, will they be able to add more than 200 more 900's as opposed to the 70 that will be allowed in the new contract?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Hey delta guys, with the purchase of the 717's or lease i should say, doesnt management now have you backed in a corner? Under your current agreement, as mainline aircraft are added, can they not add 3 76 seat aircraft per every one mainline aircraft? Under your TA there can only be 233 crj 900's In other words, if the TA fails, will they be able to add more than 200 more 900's as opposed to the 70 that will be allowed in the new contract?

No, it's a hard cap at 255. Management knows this, and this is the ONLY way to get more 76 seaters.

 

[redflyer65]

Big scope fail on this one.

The funny thing is that Delta management is playing a new SJS on the mainline group. And it will most likely work..

 

[KarmaPolice]

It's a really crafty argument they're making. And they are building in loopholes. I just can't understand how we haven't learned from our mistakes in the past.

All this while we're making money as never before. I know we don't have all the leverage, but we have enough to stop the erosion of mainline jobs to DCI. Because once those jobs are gone, we all know they don't come back.

 

[redflyer65]

HUGE money being made.

Why drop the Profit Sharing? Just amazing.

 

[KarmaPolice]

That is the ONLY hope I have that the TA will not pass. Funding our raise partially by lowering our profit sharing is a bold move. Guys seem to be more nonchalant about scope than pay. This TA is a home run for management if it passes.

 

[Scoot 11]

If this is your mindset- you really won't fit in at SWA- the whole model is about quality, well paid people in all positions will perform and more than earn that wage.
I completely disagree with this theory- except that it would put delta at a small disadvantage- but CAL allowed no >50 seaters, they did well- SWA allows none- DELTA has the most profitable network-
If change is ever going to happen IT WILL START WITH DELTA PILOTS TODAY.

I couldn't disagree with overall argument above more bc it has virtually no end.

Now I'm sure you'll call this a "dodge," but you better look in the mirror and talk about the whole "model is about quality." The way you treated your new AT brothers, is a far cry from quality. Taking away captain seats, and all.
Now I agree this isn't exactly what I was expecting in a TA, it most definitely tightens up scope, both high end and low end. So you can take your sellout, stick it where tankerclown spends most of his time.:blush:

 

[Scoot 11]

Yeah, I'm with you there. As far as I'm concerned. slot controlled airports shouldn't even allow RJ service. Flying RJs from LGA to major cities is ridiculous.

This is one area I completely agree with you on.

 

[WolfManPack]

Wow!

Holy Cow I can't believe the Delta guys are even considering this TA!

Should be a VERY EASY no vote based on scope alone.

Hope this serves as the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back with the decert effort.

Absolutely disgraceful that ALPA sent this to the pilots. It will be even more disgraceful the the pilots of DAL ratify the agreement. If DAL pilots approve this TA you will have lowered the profession to an all new low.

 

[Dan Roman]

Yeah, I'm with you there. As far as I'm concerned. slot controlled airports shouldn't even allow RJ service. Flying RJs from LGA to major cities is ridiculous.

That would be a pretty good line to draw in the sand. Smaller markets are fine for RJ feed, but using between slot controlled airports really should be banned.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Big scope fail on this one.

The funny thing is that Delta management is playing a new SJS on the mainline group. And it will most likely work..

Funny Red....

Talk about SJS over in HerbTurd land...You clowns were all celebrating getting the 737 "heavy" just a few months ago and make an International trip look like (cue Shatner)..."The Final Frontier".

Most of the posts on this thread are from SWA Pracks like yourself who have no dog in the fight. Go back to screwing your AirTran brothers or beating your wife or boyfriend and let the adults talk ok?