Delta RFP awarded....

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Lear Love: Good post. Mesa did a similar breakthrough on Friday, but it has not been sustained.

 

[737 Pylt]

What an idiot. lol. WE TRIED TO COMBINE OUR LIST WITH DELTA PER ALPA POLICY!!AND WE WERE TOLD TO POUND SAND. NONE OF THE FULOUGHS WOULD OF HAPPENEED IF YOU GUYS WERE NOT SO SELF SERVING.

Oh that's rich, is that right out of the rjdc playbook?? Your name should be dumbasspilotthink!
Of course this is all a moot point now anyway as DL is back in hiring mode, and cmr pilots need not apply! Plus cmr seems to have bigger fish to fry now.

WE AGREED THEY SHOULD HAVE PREFERENTIAL INTERVIEWS!!! YOU JUST WANTED TO WALK IN LIKE YOU BELONGED HERE. WE WERE NEVER OFFERED JOBS AT DELTA JUST BECAUSE. WHAT A BUNCH OF SELF SERVING IDIOTS.

Thats all I got to say about that

You should save your breath for your inflatable date!

Nobody ever wanted to walk in like they belonged there tool!
The hiring of DL furloughs to the bottom of the cmr list would have cost the cmr pilots and its mec nothing, but the gesture would have been worth millions! The ASA pilots/MEC saw it that way, its just too bad morons like you don't. But that's not surprising is it now?

737

 

[PCL_128]

No, they are two different things. Just because CMR won the right to impose their own contract doesn't mean that CMR asked the court to prevent the pilots from striking. If I'm correct, there was talk about it but CMR did not follow through with it.

Yes, CMR management did ask the court to order the pilots not to strike. The judge has delayed his ruling on the matter until after the 32-day extension. He is widely expected to grant CMR management their draconian request.

 

[Dirt Doctor]

So What

The Judge can rule however he want's. Sick calls will follow and the court can't stop us. Delta's new modo will be "Good Goes Down!!!!"

 

[FlyingDawg]

You've got it arse backwards again BVT. The Delta pilots offered to negotiate a pay rate for the RJs but DAL said that even if the Delta pilots it flew it for $0, it still wouldn't be cost effective.

Just recently, diring the DAL 1113c hearing, when DALPA argued that DAL pilots ought to fly anything over 70 seats and that DAL pilots were willing to negotiate industry competive rates, DAL countered that regardless of the rates the DAL pilots were willing to negotiate, CMR pilots cost half as much as DAL pilots to fly those same jets.

You need to look at this from a business prospective. The real cost is not the first year pay or for that matter any year pay in the RJ. The cost to the airline is the additional years at the mainline carrier flying the largest cost equipment.

For instance, suppose the airlines adopted the RJ at mainline with payscales below regional rates. Overtime the average age of pilots starting careers at mainline would drop. This in effect would increase the years of service at mainline and result in higher costs at the top of line aircraft (777, 747, 767 etc..) The lower costs on the bottom end could never makeup for the additional costs at the end of ones career.

An actuary (sp?) friend whose firm was hired by an airline to study this cost said in terms of years they came to the conclusion that if RJ's were flown by mainline the average career would be extended by 7 years on the mainlines payroll.

 

[flyer172r]

No, they are two different things. Just because CMR won the right to impose their own contract doesn't mean that CMR asked the court to prevent the pilots from striking. If I'm correct, there was talk about it but CMR did not follow through with it.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/custom/tourism/orl-comair2906dec29,0,7037927.story?track=rss

The relevant line from that article: "Gallagher reported on negotiations in a hearing on the commuter airline's request for an injunction to stop the pilots from walking out."

 

[homerjdispatch]

The Judge can rule however he want's. Sick calls will follow and the court can't stop us. Delta's new modo will be "Good Goes Down!!!!"

What the hell is a "modo"?

 

[flyer172r]

What the hell is a "modo"?

Well, Modo is the name of a hockey team in Sweden. Not sure what it has to do with Delta though. Unless Delta is trying to become the official airline of the Swedish Elite League. Now that would be a crappy marketing scheme.

 

[joe_pilot]

Skywest's underbidding of the industry on 70-rates is hurting Comair pilots worse than the bankruptcy.

Thanks.

Jimmy Carter's signature, the ability to fly cross country cheaper than you can drive and force majeure is what has hurt/is hurting Comair.

Be safe.

-JP

 

[joe_pilot]

...Delta pays MORE because their are MORE seats....

Serious question, un-biased no flame...

Does anyone know what these figures are? Is it public information? Please respond with a valid source, if you reply.

Thanks.

-JP

 

[737 Pylt]

The Judge can rule however he want's. Sick calls will follow and the court can't stop us. Delta's new modo will be "Good Goes Down!!!!"

I thought you were getting out...
Funny, you hope DL gets what it deserves....Thanks, because it looks like our casm's will be some of the lowest in the industry while keeping us slightly higher paid than our peers at other legacy carriers.
Seems like cmr is the ones getting theirs! Better look in the mirror there sport!

737

Jimmy Carter's signature, the ability to fly cross country cheaper than you can drive and force majeure is what has hurt/is hurting Comair.

Joe:
I couldn't agree more!

737

 

[joe_pilot]

What the hell is a "modo"?

It's that cell phone commercial "Hello, Modo"

 

[Gr82Aviate]

You mean like coex, comair, airwis? There are pilots making more money than us at companies that are not doing as well. That is a direct result of unions. As long as we continue to put our earnings potential in the hands of management, we will always be underpaid.

I was with Teamsters at my last airline. It sucked. But I'm not so simple-minded to blame the union for all of the airlines problems.

SAPA has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that they are incapable of getting us fair compensation for the 70 and 90 seat jets. It's time to negotiate with leverage. ALPA has the resources to help us smoothly transition into a united workforce.

Don't forget Horizon...$20+ a flight hour more at my seniority, higher per diem than us for domestic flying and even more than that for international, and a higher match on their 401K! Yet their company makes much less than Skywest!!!!

 

[thebest]

You mean like coex, comair, airwis? There are pilots making more money than us at companies that are not doing as well. That is a direct result of unions. As long as we continue to put our earnings potential in the hands of management, we will always be underpaid.

I was with Teamsters at my last airline. It sucked. But I'm not so simple-minded to blame the union for all of the airlines problems.

SAPA has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that they are incapable of getting us fair compensation for the 70 and 90 seat jets. It's time to negotiate with leverage. ALPA has the resources to help us smoothly transition into a united workforce.

Comair-lost some flying and MUCH more will be lost
Coex-Lost some flying as well
Airwis-Lost flying too!
Now you will probably say that is not because of alpo....RIGHT! But their higher pay is. So alpa is only responsible for good things and bad things are just due to bad luck or something?

Have you ever delt with alpa when things get REAL BAD. Not bad like I want another $1 per hour, more like I may lose everyhting I have. DON"T TRUST alpa ON ANYTHING. GET A REAL LAWYER!

 

[jayme]

You mean like if I can't get a medical renewed because of a heart murmur? Or you mean if I run off the side of a runway?

Or do you mean when massive economic forces change the business environment? Because, yeah, I guess I gotta agree with ya there. ALPA is not in charge of the economy. So I guess you got me.