DAL/NWA SLI Hearings in a nutshell

[GogglesPisano]

I can hold a line on the ER in ATL, JFK and I think LAX. Can any 07 or 08 hire at NWA do that. Can an 01 hire do that? I am not sure. (I am not talking about SO positions)

:laugh:

 

[General Lee]

Oh, the slowing world economy only impacts NWA?

Your cargo operation is bleeding. Those planes are really really old. They will be gone soon.


How are those talks going over at Boeing? Regardless, your 787s are two years behind the planes we have coming. The first one hasn't flown yet. We will have those remaining 777s and 737-700s years before your 787s come.


I thought there was a no furlough clause, what happened to that?

We still have one, for TBKane and up. If they try to furlough him or anyone above, they have to get rid of 6 seats in every 76 seat RJ. Very expensive.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[michael707767]

Here's a hint - your proposed list, or an equivalently lopsided one to our favor would result in the operational implosion - think NWA Roberts/USAir acrimony several orders of magnitude. The arbitrators know this, as does RA, Moak and Prater.

actually, what happend at USAir can't happen here unless the Delta pilots get screwed. We have the numbers to out vote you. So there is no way you could try to muscle in NWAPA to get DOH. We also already have a joint contract.

Frankly, I don't think the DALPA position goes far enough.

 

[123]

That TBKane deal....I read it to say an employment date, therefore, they could in theory furlough out of seniority with the list as proposed. Is that the way you understand it to be?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

actually, what happend at USAir can't happen here unless the Delta pilots get screwed. We have the numbers to out vote you. So there is no way you could try to muscle in NWAPA to get DOH. We also already have a joint contract.

Frankly, I don't think the DALPA position goes far enough.

I love internet tough guy posturing. It amuses me to no end. You and Armando must get together on weekends, drink wine coolers, and think this stuff up. Bravo!

 

[Schwanker]

That TBKane deal....I read it to say an employment date, therefore, they could in theory furlough out of seniority with the list as proposed. Is that the way you understand it to be?

That date applied to an employment date on either the current DAL list or the current NWA list. Both sides are protected by this language if you were employed by said date.

Schwanker

 

[michael707767]

I love internet tough guy posturing. It amuses me to no end. You and Armando must get together on weekends, drink wine coolers, and think this stuff up. Bravo!

posturing? Not at all.

 

[BOHICAgain]

Is it fair to any DL pilots to lose their jobs (even temporarily) when they interviewed and were hired at an airline in expansion mode? Serious questions here. You can't just blend the lists and possibly furlough people who never signed up for that. Sorry.
Bye Bye--General Lee

YES it is fair.
Things change. Do you think it is fair that a 01 new hire at NWA to be below a 2007 new hire at DAL.

Im sure if things were backward and the 88 were on the chopping block you guys would be saying the same thing as the NWA guys. Every new hire hired in 2007 should be DOH after the rest of the list is sorted. So what if a guy is flying a 76 and someone else is flying a DC9.

 

[michael707767]

YES it is fair.
Things change. Do you think it is fair that a 01 new hire at NWA to be below a 2007 new hire at DAL.

you keep asking DOH questions? What does a persons hire date matter?

If you want to argue about someone at NWA who is on the DC-9 and has career expectations of X being behind a Delta pilot who is on the 767 but has a career expectation of Y, that is a valid arguement.

DOH doesn't matter. The number one Delta pilot is the number one Delta pilot, just as the number one NWA pilot is the number one NWA pilot. Doesn't matter when either one was hired.

 

[123]

And how long do you estimate this new hire in the 767 to make captain of the 767?

 

[tico]

Since the most junior captain position should pay more than the most senior fo position. And all the small twin jets......md-80 thru 90 series, dc-9 all series, 737 all series and airbus 318-321(dont know if that is all the airbus series) should pay the same. The 757 and like powered should pay the same. 767 and a-330 should pay the same and 777 and 747 should pay the same and then if there ever is a 787 it would fit in there somewhere.....all out mock rebid where the senior guys go to the high pay airplanes and so on all the way down to the lowest pay and least senior....then ratio that list.....do a five year fence and call it good........nah that is too easy

 

[BOHICAgain]

you keep asking DOH questions? What does a persons hire date matter?

If you want to argue about someone at NWA who is on the DC-9 and has career expectations of X being behind a Delta pilot who is on the 767 but has a career expectation of Y, that is a valid arguement.

DOH doesn't matter. The number one Delta pilot is the number one Delta pilot, just as the number one NWA pilot is the number one NWA pilot. Doesn't matter when either one was hired.

I just don't think that a 01 new hire that was furloughed and struggled to come back should be put behind a 2007. No disrespect to the DAL 2007 hire. I have a couple of buddies hired in 2007.

To say that this should be based on what the airline would look like if the merger does not go through is just pure bias. Neither pilot group should suffer the loss. I would hope that senior guys will leave and create a need for pilots

 

[wings421]

Do you think it is fair that a 01 new hire at NWA to be below a 2007 new hire at DAL.

I do. Looking at the numbers it seems that only 3.9% of the NWA list was hired 07-08 but 9.1% of the DAL list was hired in the same years.

Not saying its going to happen, but if I were a 01 NWA hire, I'd brace myself for the fact that I MIGHT be junior to a 07 DAL hire.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

ANd probably the 99 and 2000 hires as well. It is all about ratio base on equipment of similar carriers. To further clarify. USAir and Am West had different types of service and airplanes, not just number of those aircraft. (Top positions to US Air East). It is all about ratio base upon equiptment.

 

[ugasucks]

Noone is talking about the NWA 2001 hire going from 2 or 3 year pay to 8 or 9 yr pay when he comes over to the delta contract