Crappy Pay Offered At Nja

[FamilyGuy]

FG,
Don’t forget about the additional perks that moisture gets. What do you think those flights from his home cost us?

Please present all of the facts.

Steel - welcome back...I didnt think you'd be back after you failed to respond to the questions I posed to you.

As for the additional perks for BB...give me some details. Are these included in the pay package total that the union is reporting or not? I assume you are not talking about his house here in Columbus, so what house are you talking about? Where is it located?

Now, while you are working on that, maybe you could get around to answering the questions that I posed to you....

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Originally Posted by steel
Next, as you would have known had you been here more than two years, we were indeed aware of what the pay was when we came here. We were also aware of what we were promised by RTS himself prior to you coming to this once great company. Ask around, do some research, and please get facts before trying to explain your very weak, union busting spun argument.



Ahh...the infamous RTS speech....so what figure did RTS promise you? (exact number please)

What figure did your union build it up to over the last 4 years?

It seems to me that you're the victim of inflated expectations.

I've watched people pump up the expected payday for the last 4 years on this board....to the point that any reasonable offer by the company is quickly scoffed at because it suffers in comparison to that 100% increase you've convinced yourselves that you deserve.



Quote:
Originally Posted by steel
Next, relevance should equal contributions expected. Example, pay should be commensurate with responsibility (read safety, customer service, fixing owner service's lies). This is where the management 101 books would help you. I seem to remember you barraging someone else on this board about missing class.



I'm glad you brought this up steel. If you had been paying attention you would realize that I addressed this topic just 3 short days ago in this post:


Quote:
Originally Posted by FamilyGuy
The overall point is that LIFE IS NOT FAIR. If we are going to pay all jobs according to levels of responsibility then in my opinion, none of us would make more money than teachers, police officers, and fire fighters. No athlete or CEO would make more money than the President of the United States. Our military would make more money than it does. The list is very long.......



Now...seeing as how our pilots average pay exceeds teachers, police officers, and firefighters, I'm sure you will be willing to live up to your own words and donate all of your excess salary to charity.....right?

Oh, and by the way, it also means you wont need that REASONABLE raise the company offered you....right?


I noticed you side-stepped the heart of my question in the original post, namely -

• What makes a 3 year employee think they are owed anything?
• Where does this sense of entitlement come from? They didnt build this company. They weren't here for the last contract. They weren't even here when it became amendable.
• Why should a 40+ year old company mortgage its future and cave into the demands of a bunch of 3 year employees that are just looking for a quick payday before they jump ship and try to bankrupt another company?

 

[FLYLOW22]

This company is doomed on it's curent course. Boisture better hurry with a real offer worth countering. Tick, tock.

 

[steel]

Well, there FG, I thought I answered all of your questions in the first post. Wow. Anyway, while we're on the subject of allegedly "dancing around questions", how long have you been here? How long has your union busting firm been contracted now? How much money has NJ spent on your useless chatter?



Why do you think I was inferring about some speech Santulli made? I wasn’t writing about that. Assume all you want.



What makes you think a three year guy isn’t owed anything? What kind of question is that?



Again, how long have you been here? What have you done to help build this fine customer service, oversold, ego buying airplane establishment?



If you think this company needs to mortgage anything, then I feel sorry for you. Maybe they told you that, so they wouldn’t have to pay your exuberant wages your company demanded.



I didn’t sidestep any questions. I just thought maybe you would be smart enough to figure it out on your own. Please, send more.


STFD

 

[gunfyter]

No. That is a comparison of the POS TA that was rejected a year ago... and the Current CBA>

Is this info any good? Which TA was this from and has the offer gotten better or worse?
FIRST OFFICER - 7on 7off SCHEDULE (All Classes)
YR1 - $ 33,500 Old YR1 - $ 27,108 ($6,392/yr Diff - $532/month add. pay)
YR2 - $ 34,760 Old YR2 - $ 28,368 ($6,392/yr Diff - $532/month add. pay)
YR3 - $ 36,020 Old YR3 - $ 29,628 ($6,392/yr Diff - $532/month add. pay)
YR4 - $ 37,280 Old YR4 - $ 30,888 ($6,392/yr Diff - $532/month add. pay)
YR5 - $ 38,540 Old YR5 - $ 32,160 ($6,380/yr Diff - $531/month add. pay)

FIRST OFFICER - RESERVE SCHEDULE (Old Flex) (All Classes)
YR1 - $ 39,000 Old YR1 - $ 32,364 ($6,636/yr Diff - $553/month add. pay)
YR2 - $ 40,260 Old YR2 - $ 33,624 ($6,636/yr Diff - $553/month add. pay)
YR3 - $ 41,520 Old YR3 - $ 34,884 ($6,636/yr Diff - $553/month add. pay)
YR4 - $ 42,780 Old YR4 - $ 36,144 ($6,636/yr Diff - $553/month add. pay)
YR5 - $ 44,040 Old YR5 - $ 37,404 ($6,636/yr Diff - $553/month add. pay)

CAPTAIN - 7on 7off SCHEDULE (ALL CLASSES)
YR1 - $ 41,500 Old YR1 - $ 37,560 ($3,940/yr Diff - $329/month add. pay)
YR2 - $ 44,000 Old YR2 - $ 39,816 ($4,184/yr Diff - $349/month add. pay)
YR3 - $ 53,000 Old YR3 - $ 47,208 ($5,792/yr Diff - $483/month add. pay)
YR4 - $ 65,000 Old YR4 - $ 57,996 ($7,004/yr Diff - $584/month add. pay)
YR5 - $ 69,000 Old YR5 - $ 60,984 ($8,016/yr Diff - $668/month add. pay)
YR6 - $ 71,500 Old YR6 - $ 64,188 ($7,312/yr Diff - $610/month add. pay)
YR7 - $ 74,000 Old YR7 - $ 67,560 ($6,440/yr Diff - $537/month add. pay)
YR8 - $ 80,000 Old YR8 - $ 74,496 ($5,504/yr Diff - $459/month add. pay)

CAPTAIN - RESERVE SCHEDULE (Old FLEX) (ALL CLASSES)
YR1 - $ 52,500 Old YR1 - $ 48,060 ($4,440/yr Diff - $370/month add. pay)
YR2 - $ 55,000 Old YR2 - $ 50,316 ($4,684/yr Diff - $391/month add. pay)
YR3 - $ 64,000 Old YR3 - $ 57,708 ($6,292/yr Diff - $525/month add. pay)
YR4 - $ 76,000 Old YR4 - $ 68,496 ($7,504/yr Diff - $626/month add. pay)
YR5 - $ 80,000 Old YR5 - $ 71,484 ($8,516/yr Diff - $710/month add. pay)
YR6 - $ 82,500 Old YR6 - $ 74,688 ($7,812/yr Diff - $651/month add. pay)
YR7 - $ 85,000 Old YR7 - $ 78,060 ($6,940/yr Diff - $579/month add. pay)
YR8 - $ 91,000 Old YR8 - $ 84,996 ($6,004/yr Diff - $501/month add. pay)

 

[FamilyGuy]

Well, there FG, I thought I answered all of your questions in the first post. Wow. Anyway, while we're on the subject of allegedly "dancing around questions", how long have you been here? How long has your union busting firm been contracted now? How much money has NJ spent on your useless chatter?

As I've stated several times before, I am a long term NetJets employee here in CMH - more than 5 years, and less than 10. How about you? I guess it makes you feel better to tell yourselves that anyone who disagrees with you works for some union busting firm....whatever you need to do to sleep at night.

As for pay, I dont get paid by anyone to post here. I do it to provide a counter balance to the incessant union bashing of what is, in truth, a very good company. As I've stated several times in the past, if anyone should pay me it should be the union, since I'm giving you a free critique of your arguments and pointing out the flaws in your reasoning.

Ahh...the infamous RTS speech....so what figure did RTS promise you? (exact number please)

Why do you think I was inferring about some speech Santulli made? I wasn’t writing about that. Assume all you want.

I didn’t sidestep any questions.

I take it you voted for Clinton with that response.

Come on, its a simple question - What figure did RTS promise the pilots? (exact number please)

Now...seeing as how our pilots average pay exceeds teachers, police officers, and firefighters, I'm sure you will be willing to live up to your own words and donate all of your excess salary to charity.....right?

Oh, and by the way, it also means you wont need that REASONABLE raise the company offered you....right?

I didn’t sidestep any questions.

Another simple question. Any answers?

What makes a 3 year employee think they are owed anything?
Where does this sense of entitlement come from? They didnt build this company. They weren't here for the last contract. They weren't even here when it became amendable.
Why should a 40+ year old company mortgage its future and cave into the demands of a bunch of 3 year employees that are just looking for a quick payday before they jump ship and try to bankrupt another company?

What makes you think a three year guy isn’t owed anything? What kind of question is that?

I didn’t sidestep any questions.

More simple questions. Answers?

Again, how long have you been here? What have you done to help build this fine customer service, oversold, ego buying airplane establishment?

Again...I'm a long term employee here in CMH...I've been here more than 5 years, and less than 10....how about you?

I've actually worked in a lot of different departments over the years, and my work has been well regarded and complimented by people in all depts...including the pilot group.

If you think this company needs to mortgage anything, then I feel sorry for you. Maybe they told you that, so they wouldn’t have to pay your exuberant wages your company demanded.

Exuberant wages? Did you try and roll out the thesaurus for that one? Why dont you try exorbitant? It will work much better.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Now...seeing as how our pilots average pay exceeds teachers, police officers, and firefighters

[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Police Sergeant [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]25th%ile [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Median [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]75th%ile
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$56,453[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$64,196[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$71,893[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$58,503[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$66,527[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$74,504[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Teacher - High School
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$42,919[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$54,168[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$63,626[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$44,478[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$56,135[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$65,937[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Principal [/font]
[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$64,230[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$78,326[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$95,303[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY [/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$66,562[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$81,170 [/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$98,764[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Fire Fighter [/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$31,283[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$41,710[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$52,138[/font]

[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$32,419[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$43,225[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$54,031[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
NetJets Pilot [/font]
[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Gateway, USA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$57,996[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$60,984[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$64,188[/font]

Try again...

Oh, and by the way, it also means you wont need that REASONABLE raise the company offered you....right?

Depends on your definition of "REASONABLE." Nope, don't need their last offer.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Oh, and just for fun:

Captain/PIC (Small Jet) [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]25th%ile [/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Median [/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]75th%ile
[/font] [font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$97,097[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$113,099[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$134,543[/font]

[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$93,694[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$109,136[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$129,828[/font]

[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]the United States[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$86,028[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$101,574[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$122,487[/font]

Here's the job description these salaries are based on:

[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ensures that trip of assigned flight (aircraft smaller than 12,500 pounds at takeoff) is conducted in the safest manner possible....

I'd be pretty happy with the national average pay, and we don't even have any of those <12,500 jets...[/font]

 

[IFlyOU]

I feel like I've walked into a room full of 3rd graders...

 

[IFlyOU]

FG,

Don’t forget about the additional perks that moisture gets. What do you think those flights from his home cost us?

A lot less than the contracted recovery we send when an airplane 'breaks' because of a dim 'push button to flush toilet' light.

 

[TheTruthCMH]

[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Police Sergeant [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]25th%ile [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Median [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]75th%ile
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$56,453[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$64,196[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$71,893[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$58,503[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$66,527[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$74,504[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Teacher - High School
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$42,919[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$54,168[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$63,626[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$44,478[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$56,135[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$65,937[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Principal [/font]
[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$64,230[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$78,326[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$95,303[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY [/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$66,562[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$81,170 [/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$98,764[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Fire Fighter [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$31,283[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$41,710[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$52,138[/font]

[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$32,419[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$43,225[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$54,031[/font]
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NetJets Pilot [/font]
[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Gateway, USA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$57,996[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$60,984[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$64,188[/font]

Try again...

Depends on your definition of "REASONABLE." Nope, don't need their last offer.

Try apples to apples not apples to oranges. If you were to compare a police SGT to a pilot then you would have to move up to chief pilot.

If you want to compare the principle to a pilot then you move to the director of operations.

Why don't you post what a "line" officer makes? I believe FG's point was right on the mark.

The Truth Hurts

TTC

 

[TheTruthCMH]

Oh, and just for fun:

Captain/PIC (Small Jet) [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]25th%ile [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Median [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]75th%ile
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$97,097[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$113,099[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$134,543[/font]

[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$93,694[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$109,136[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$129,828[/font]

[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]the United States[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$86,028[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$101,574[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$122,487[/font]

Here's the job description these salaries are based on:

[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ensures that trip of assigned flight (aircraft smaller than 12,500 pounds at takeoff) is conducted in the safest manner possible....

I'd be pretty happy with the national average pay, and we don't even have any of those <12,500 jets...[/font]

And just for fun, why don't you try wearing your pager/blackberry for 30 days straight and be on call like most corporate pilots?

Apples to apples...

The Truth Hurts

TTC

 

[Diesel]

Iflyou-

actually the push to flush toilet is one lightbulb. It's either on or off and you can't break a plane due to that light. It's in the mel under convience items. Cat C i believe.

nice try. How much time in the B200? looking across the ramp at it doesn't count. Looks like you got both wrong.

 

[TheTruthCMH]

Iflyou-

actually the push to flush toilet is one lightbulb. It's either on or off and you can't break a plane due to that light. It's in the mel under convience items. Cat C i believe.

nice try. How much time in the B200? looking across the ramp at it doesn't count. Looks like you got both wrong.

Ah Diesel, you know he speaks the TRUTH, but again this is a public board and you will never admit to what he says.

Diesel don't kid yourself, this plays out 50 times a day at NJA. Call it what you will, but it looks like a slowdown to us layman.

The Truth Hurts and no one will ever admit it.

TTC

 

[Diesel]

I don't give a crap trust me. I'll tell you the truth. The truth is you can't ground a plane due to a "flush" lightbulb. There is a book called an MEL. (for the non pilots it's a Minimum Equipment List). If the item is not an MEL it can be MCO'd which will keep the plane flying.

So if the truth hurts why don't you actually use the truth. Jesus use an example that actually presents the facts instead of these half knowing ideas that have no merit.

Scroll through on your little screen and find an airplane that is broken that you don't feel should have been broken. Then PM me and i'll explain in layman terms what it means.

Or you can just perform routine mx on these planes and fix the crap that's about to be broken.

 

[TheTruthCMH]

I don't give a crap trust me. I'll tell you the truth. The truth is you can't ground a plane due to a "flush" lightbulb. There is a book called an MEL. (for the non pilots it's a Minimum Equipment List). If the item is not an MEL it can be MCO'd which will keep the plane flying.

So if the truth hurts why don't you actually use the truth. Jesus use an example that actually presents the facts instead of these half knowing ideas that have no merit.

Scroll through on your little screen and find an airplane that is broken that you don't feel should have been broken. Then PM me and i'll explain in layman terms what it means.

Or you can just perform routine mx on these planes and fix the crap that's about to be broken.

Ok, maybe THAT particular light is in the MEL but YOU KNOW which ones aren't. Just look at what he said as a "metaphor." No need to get hostile.

Fix the crap that is "about" to be broken? What are you saying here? Do you know of something that is "about" to break? Isn't that what I posted earlier when I said that guys know about these problems and then WAIT until they are in the middle of nowhere to write them up? Could this be a Freudian slip?

The Truth Hurts

TTC

 

[Diesel]

man you really are an idiot.

I'll explain this slowly since FS2004 is your job. MX will not fix anything unless it's written up. It's a paperwork thing. So lets take brakes. Brakes have a device that show you how much pad is left. As this pin get's closer to being flush you need to replace the brakes.

So you call mx and say we're getting pretty tight on this brake. It will last the day but can you guys do a break change tonight while we're in PBI. MX says is the pin flush? You say no but it will be i'm just letting you know. Mx says write it up when it's flush. sigh

So the next day you do one leg. The pin is flush after that landing and it's time to write up the plane.

I could explain my job to you all day but it's not going to help. So before you run your mouth about something you know NOTHING about. You don't even have the stones to say what you DO. You probably don't even work for NJA.

But i'm bored and i don't mind explaining my job in very simple slow terms.

 

[Bad Monkey!]

And just for fun, why don't you try wearing your pager/blackberry for 30 days straight and be on call like most corporate pilots?

Apples to apples...

The Truth Hurts

TTC

Actually troll if you looked at how much they work compared to how much we work you would see that we do way more work than a corporate pilot. Sorry you're stuck on the management concept that if you're strapped to a pager then you get more pay.

Take a breath mint, you have dookie breath.
The truth hurts.

Happy Holidays!!!!!!

 

[ProFracPilot]

MX will not fix anything unless it's written up. It's a paperwork thing. So lets take brakes. Brakes have a device that show you how much pad is left. As this pin get's closer to being flush you need to replace the brakes.

So you call mx and say we're getting pretty tight on this brake. It will last the day but can you guys do a break change tonight while we're in PBI. MX says is the pin flush? You say no but it will be i'm just letting you know. Mx says write it up when it's flush. sigh

So the next day you do one leg. The pin is flush after that landing and it's time to write up the plane.

Pardon the hijack of the thread -

It is astonishing how often this same scenario plays out at (probably) all the fractionals. I've tried to do my best to assist scheduling by contacting maintenance with an issue, usually something that is intermittent or the worn brake/tire scenario: "Here's what I'm seeing, it is working / serviceable AT THE MOMENT. I suggest either you (maintenance) choose where to fix it, or the airplane will choose. And in accordance with Murphy, the airplane finally breaks for good in BFE. We see a large number of ferry permits being issued or mx being performed in BFE for this very reason. Either one usually results in an owner disservice. The cost associated with not heeding the advice of the flight crews - in just this one instance - has to be huge. In essence what I'm offering with this advice is an opportunity for both scheduling and maintenance to plan ahead and not be reactionary. I fail to understand why, but I really think they like bleeding the company in this manner.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled squabble.

PfP

 

[Ultra Grump]

Try apples to apples not apples to oranges. If you were to compare a police SGT to a pilot then you would have to move up to chief pilot.

If you want to compare the principle to a pilot then you move to the director of operations.

Why don't you post what a "line" officer makes? I believe FG's point was right on the mark.

The Truth Hurts

TTC

Actually, no. I use police sergeant and principal (as well as HS teacher, which you failed to note) because for "pilot" it's actually "Captain." Not "First Officer." If you want to use the lowest payscale/responsibility for your argument, I can do that, too. Does the truth hurt?

 

[Hawk Driver]

......

 

[Ultra Grump]

Half-Truths in CMH-

Here is the apples-to-apples comparison you asked for:

Police Patrol Officer
25th%ile.... $37,120
Median......$44,547
75th%ile.....$52,554
Or check out this link
1st year pay $51,114

[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Fire Fighter
25th%ile....[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$27,709[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Median.......[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$36,944[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
75th%ile.....[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$46,181[/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font]Or check out this link
1st year pay $32,724
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Teacher - Elementary School [/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]25th%ile....[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$37,692[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Median......[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$46,014[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]75th%ile....[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$54,576[/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font]Or check out this link
1st year pay $30,496
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First Officer - Netjets
25th %ile....[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$28,368[/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Median.......[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$29,628[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] 75th %ile....[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$30,888
[/font]1st year pay $27,108

Is that apples-to-apples enough for you? Feel that sting? That's the Truth, f**kin' with you.

 

[NJACMH]

Wow, look at all this bickering! Seems to me if you don't like the pay then you better get yourself educated and find a new career.

Pilots are dime a dozen these days.

 

[gunfyter]

This is typical of the disrespect in CMH and Woodbridge.

Do you have more education than me?

Doubtful.

 

[Bad Monkey!]

Wow, look at all this bickering! Seems to me if you don't like the pay then you better get yourself educated and find a new career.

Pilots are dime a dozen these days.

DING, DING, DING We have a new contestant.

So tell him Bill, what does our new Troll win?

Thanks BoB, our new troll will get 7 days and 6 nights of getting his arse beat on this board. Our Troll also gets a free lifetime supply of suppositories to help him contain all the company kool-aid he has been drinking. And finally BoB our new Troll will receive all the facts from the union boys down at 1108.

Thanks Bill.

And now Mr. Troll would you like to double your lies by spinning the wheel of disaster?


A word of advice- go away now and stay out of a fight that you have no control over before yoy get hurt.

 

[NJACMH]

Yeah, give me a double there Bad Monkey ,

Wow, already resorting to name calling. That's the professionalism we see at Bridgeway and Woodbridge on a daily basis.

I must of hit a sore spot. LMAO

 

[FAcFriend]

Bad Moneky

This was funny, but you are just a bit off....

It was supposed to be a "washer and Dryer, chosen especially for you."

C'mon you always just miss the mark-

 

[Fracster]

Looks like Troll, family guy or one of the other ones got themselves a second log in. Real creative there kiddies.

 

[NJACMH]

Sorry, but I am not troll or family guy.

I just would like to know how you guys can sit back and complain about a company that is supporting a wage for you?

Whenever I don't like a company or need a change. I take my credientials and experience and leave for a greener pasture.

I see so many here who tell others not to come here, but they are probably the ones who will jump the fence and still want to work once the strike happens.

I don't care who you are or what profession your are in. If you don't like it get the he?? out.

This company is going to run so much better once the union is gone and we have employees who want to work.

 

[dsptchrnja]

STFD

What do you do for a living? And what do you have to gain by being mean-spirited to people you do not even associate with?

 

[FamilyGuy]

[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Police Sergeant [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]25th%ile [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Median [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]75th%ile
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$56,453[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$64,196[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$71,893[/font]
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[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$58,503[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$66,527[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$74,504[/font]
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Teacher - High School
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$42,919[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$54,168[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$63,626[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$44,478[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$56,135[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$65,937[/font]
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Principal [/font]
[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$64,230[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$78,326[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$95,303[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY [/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$66,562[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$81,170 [/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$98,764[/font]
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Fire Fighter [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$31,283[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$41,710[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$52,138[/font]
[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$32,419[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$43,225[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$54,031[/font]
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NetJets Pilot [/font]
[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Gateway, USA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$57,996[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$60,984[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$64,188[/font]

Try again...

Nice job of selective editing Grump.

Why did you choose Los Angeles and New York City for your comparisons?

This seems odd, since less than 5% of NetJets pilots live in those cities.

Wouldnt a better comparator be the national average? Especially since NetJets pilots can, and do, live all over the country?

To save you the time...here's the figures for you. (by the way, the source is monster.com)

National Averages.....25th%....Median......75th%
High School Teacher..$38,015...$47,979...$56,356
Principal...................$56,891...$69,376...$84,413
Fire Fighter...............$27,709...$36,944...$46,181
Highway Patrol...........$32,553...$40,686...$49,183
Police Patrol Officer....$37,120...$44,547...$52,554
Police Sergeant..........$50,003...$56,861...$63,679

NetJets Pilot..............$57,996...$60,984....$64,188

Looks like my original point is still valid. So, since the pilots make more than teachers, firefighters, and police officers, is Steel willing to give his excess salary to charity and pass on that reasonable raise? After all, we want everything to be fair and people paid according to responsibility...