Congrats AWA MEC......................

[TWA Dude]

How about the 3 flights a day now that go PHX-SAN-PHX by AAA?

That flying isn't prohibited by the Transition Agreement since we picked up other routes using the same planes. The TA prevents the company from using an East plane for a West flight segment that cancels, for instance.

 

[Hpilot]

Hpilot

I'm still curious what part of the Transition agreement the AAA MEC ignored...

One example: The transition agreement stated any new flying would be divided equally 50/50. We ended up with 1/3 after arbitration.

 

[ALGFLYR]

How about the 3 flights a day now that go PHX-SAN-PHX by AAA?

I think we also do MIA and/or FLL out of PHX. AWA does PDX-PHL as well. I'm not sure of any others...

 

[PHXFLYR]

One example: The transition agreement stated any new flying would be divided equally 50/50. We ended up with 1/3 after arbitration.

Any further questions,ALGFLYR?


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

I think we also do MIA and/or FLL out of PHX. AWA does PDX-PHL as well. I'm not sure of any others...

In what? The E170 or the Dash 8.....??


PHXFLYR

 

[Gofish]

I'll be happy to post it as soon as a hiring department is created. Probably not gonna happen for quite a while.

Thanks TWADude.

I flew with a bunch of TWA flowbies at eagle...y'all are a riot to fly with.

Mind if I PM you when West starts hiring? (after everyone on the list is called)

FISH

 

[ALGFLYR]

Any further questions,ALGFLYR?


PHXFLYR

Yeah, just one. Have you even read the Transition Agreement? Because you talk as if you know what is says. Please direct me to the part that says additional flying will be split 50/50. Let me save you some time... it doesn't.

The TA only says the flying must be distributed fair and equatable. Both sides must agree on what is fair or it goes to arbitration, which is what happened. A NEUTRAL person decided that.

 

[ALGFLYR]

One example: The transition agreement stated any new flying would be divided equally 50/50. We ended up with 1/3 after arbitration.

See reply to PHXFLYR above...

 

[Bubba Dog]

One example: The transition agreement stated any new flying would be divided equally 50/50. We ended up with 1/3 after arbitration.

The actual wording from the TA is "fair and equitable" not 50/50. The arbitrator used "fair and equitable" as his reason for 1/3 2/3.

 

[Green]

One example: The transition agreement stated any new flying would be divided equally 50/50. We ended up with 1/3 after arbitration.

Did we (AWA) f#ck this one up or what? I doubt we could have done any worse up to this point. The west coast attitude, laid back, 'lets be fair', bs isn't getting us anywhere but closer to the bottom of the list. The AAA guys are going to take every godd#$med job they can.

I think it's high time we stop being so spineless and demand a staple ala TWA/American. Very similar situation. TWA had no career expectations and AAA had no career expectations. I bet one could argue TWA was in better shape financially than AAA. I say we integrate the top couple hundred and then staple the rest. They are trying to do the exact same to us, but instead of using the staple word, they use DOH.

 

[PHXFLYR]

AMEN!! Regardless of whose money was used,they seem to forget that they were purchased out of bankruptcy court.....


PHXFLYR

 

[ALGFLYR]

But why we should comply with that portion of the Transition Agreement while the AAA MEC seems to cherry pick only the parts that work best for them while ignoring the rest is beyond me...

PHXFLYR

Well, have you found out which parts of the Transition Agreement the AAA MEC ignored? Good try on the 50/50 thing. I'm sure you actually looked at the TA now and realized it was just wishful thinking...

 

[ALGFLYR]

I think it's high time we stop being so spineless and demand a staple ala TWA/American. Very similar situation. TWA had no career expectations and AAA had no career expectations. I bet one could argue TWA was in better shape financially than AAA.

TWA posted losses for over 10 years straight. Thats over 40 quarters of multi-million dollars losses. TWA also merger with a non-ALPA carrier. Neither one of these was true about AAA.

 

[ALGFLYR]

AMEN!! Regardless of whose money was used,they seem to forget that they were purchased out of bankruptcy court.....


PHXFLYR

True, but AWA didn't buy us. We were bought as was AWA. So someone bought BOTH of us and combined us because we BOTH had value in this merger. If AAA had no value, why do it? Why not just take all the money and invest it in AWA alone?

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Yeah well my schlong is bigger than your schlong!!

It is a merger, they are never pretty! Just ask the old AAA guys, they have done this Five times.....this is just another merger to them, nothing personal.

Getting too upset about it will only give you gas!!

 

[johnnyb]

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0 for 2



Time to Play hardball or the one that really counts will make it 0 for 3


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Quoting the Arbitrator from page 14 mid paragraph
" ... the AWA pilot group overreaches when it demands a one-half share .."

Sounds like you pushed it as hard as you could.

 

[ERJFO]

Question...

What happenes with the "growth" AWA does end up getting. I understand they will upgrade guys and more seats will be created but where will the new people come from? AAA or off the street?

 

[TWA Dude]

No newhires at AWA or USA until all furloughees have been offered recall. This is stipulated in the Transition Agreement.

 

[Green]

Question...

What happenes with the "growth" AWA does end up getting. I understand they will upgrade guys and more seats will be created but where will the new people come from? AAA or off the street?

We are not, nor will we get growth at AWA. All new flying will be put on the AAA certificate as that will be the surviving operating certificate. We have offered a few openings to furloughed AAA pilots (vegas i believe) but that is due to attrition not growth.

 

[Bubba Dog]

We are not, nor will we get growth at AWA. All new flying will be put on the AAA certificate as that will be the surviving operating certificate. We have offered a few openings to furloughed AAA pilots (vegas i believe) but that is due to attrition not growth.

No offers yet that I have seen.