Congrats AWA MEC......................

[PHXFLYR]

AMEN!! Regardless of whose money was used,they seem to forget that they were purchased out of bankruptcy court.....


PHXFLYR

 

[ALGFLYR]

But why we should comply with that portion of the Transition Agreement while the AAA MEC seems to cherry pick only the parts that work best for them while ignoring the rest is beyond me...

PHXFLYR

Well, have you found out which parts of the Transition Agreement the AAA MEC ignored? Good try on the 50/50 thing. I'm sure you actually looked at the TA now and realized it was just wishful thinking...

 

[ALGFLYR]

I think it's high time we stop being so spineless and demand a staple ala TWA/American. Very similar situation. TWA had no career expectations and AAA had no career expectations. I bet one could argue TWA was in better shape financially than AAA.

TWA posted losses for over 10 years straight. Thats over 40 quarters of multi-million dollars losses. TWA also merger with a non-ALPA carrier. Neither one of these was true about AAA.

 

[ALGFLYR]

AMEN!! Regardless of whose money was used,they seem to forget that they were purchased out of bankruptcy court.....


PHXFLYR

True, but AWA didn't buy us. We were bought as was AWA. So someone bought BOTH of us and combined us because we BOTH had value in this merger. If AAA had no value, why do it? Why not just take all the money and invest it in AWA alone?

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Yeah well my schlong is bigger than your schlong!!

It is a merger, they are never pretty! Just ask the old AAA guys, they have done this Five times.....this is just another merger to them, nothing personal.

Getting too upset about it will only give you gas!!

 

[johnnyb]

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0 for 2



Time to Play hardball or the one that really counts will make it 0 for 3


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Quoting the Arbitrator from page 14 mid paragraph
" ... the AWA pilot group overreaches when it demands a one-half share .."

Sounds like you pushed it as hard as you could.

 

[ERJFO]

Question...

What happenes with the "growth" AWA does end up getting. I understand they will upgrade guys and more seats will be created but where will the new people come from? AAA or off the street?

 

[TWA Dude]

No newhires at AWA or USA until all furloughees have been offered recall. This is stipulated in the Transition Agreement.

 

[Green]

Question...

What happenes with the "growth" AWA does end up getting. I understand they will upgrade guys and more seats will be created but where will the new people come from? AAA or off the street?

We are not, nor will we get growth at AWA. All new flying will be put on the AAA certificate as that will be the surviving operating certificate. We have offered a few openings to furloughed AAA pilots (vegas i believe) but that is due to attrition not growth.

 

[Bubba Dog]

We are not, nor will we get growth at AWA. All new flying will be put on the AAA certificate as that will be the surviving operating certificate. We have offered a few openings to furloughed AAA pilots (vegas i believe) but that is due to attrition not growth.

No offers yet that I have seen.

 

[erjdude]

True, but AWA didn't buy us. We were bought as was AWA. So someone bought BOTH of us and combined us because we BOTH had value in this merger. If AAA had no value, why do it? Why not just take all the money and invest it in AWA alone?

Actually that is not true. The surviving holding company is AWA. It assumed the name US AIRWAYS after the PURCHASE. Other companies such GE cap. Airbus and others were INVESTERS.

 

[Bubba Dog]

Actually that is not true. The surviving holding company is AWA. It assumed the name US AIRWAYS after the PURCHASE. Other companies such GE cap. Airbus and others were INVESTERS.

AWA is listed as a subsidiary of USAirways Group in the most recent SEC filing.

But the bigger question is, what does it matter? In another year this will all be a mute point.

I guess all pilots have to establish some sort of a pecking order. It's not about establishing who is king of the hill,but that we all live like Kings on a hill with the best contract in the business.

 

[ALGFLYR]

It's not about establishing who is king of the hill,but that we all live like Kings on a hill with the best contract in the business.

Amen!

 

[vetrider]

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[erjdude]

AWA is listed as a subsidiary of USAirways Group in the most recent SEC filing.

But the bigger question is, what does it matter? In another year this will all be a mute point.

I guess all pilots have to establish some sort of a pecking order. It's not about establishing who is king of the hill,but that we all live like Kings on a hill with the best contract in the business.

Just a point of fact Bubba Dog but research the previous name for USAirways Group and you will see it was America West Airlines Holdings inc. The previous company using that name ceased to exist after the merger.

Does this this matter to you and i and how the seniority list is integrated? No, porbably you and I both will not be happy with the outcome. Such is our industry. The one fact is that although we currently work for seperate companies under the same holding company, in a year we wont. And in that time I hope we can stop fighting eachother and find the strengh to get a good combined contract and have some fun flying together.

 

[Bubba Dog]

Just a point of fact Bubba Dog but research the previous name for USAirways Group and you will see it was America West Airlines Holdings inc. The previous company using that name ceased to exist after the merger.

Does this this matter to you and i and how the seniority list is integrated? No, porbably you and I both will not be happy with the outcome. Such is our industry. The one fact is that although we currently work for seperate companies under the same holding company, in a year we wont. And in that time I hope we can stop fighting eachother and find the strengh to get a good combined contract and have some fun flying together.

Sounds like a great idea!

 

[Hpilot]

See reply to PHXFLYR above...

Nice to see you've been talking to yourself while I've been gone. As far as 50/50, that's right fair and equitable to you is a stable to the bottom. Look at Section II.B.3 & 4. One more case of ignoring the agreement. Oh, never mind reading it. You're going to ignore it anyways.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Nice to see you've been talking to yourself while I've been gone. As far as 50/50, that's right fair and equitable to you is a stable to the bottom. Look at Section II.B.3 & 4. One more case of ignoring the agreement. Oh, never mind reading it. You're going to ignore it anyways.

I often talk to myself and probably look a lot like your avitar doing it...

Section 2.B 3 & 4 talk about seperate operations. Are you saying an AAA crew has flown an AWA aircraft? or vice-versa?? I don't think that has happened...

 

[Hpilot]

Section 2.B 3 & 4 talk about seperate operations. Are you saying an AAA crew has flown an AWA aircraft? or vice-versa?? I don't think that has happened...[/quote]

e) “The current and announced flying, as of the effective date of this agreement, between points west of the Mississippi River and the State of Hawaii will be flown by America West pilots.”

The Hawaii flying wouldn't have made it to arbitration if it wasn't based on something.

 

[Hpilot]

Oh, if I don't respond for awhile, don't think I'm ignoring you. It's because I have to go fly around in your 737(west of the Mississippi).

 

[ALGFLYR]

“The current and announced flying, as of the effective date of this agreement, between points west of the Mississippi River and the State of Hawaii will be flown by America West pilots.”

The Hawaii flying wouldn't have made it to arbitration if it wasn't based on something.

Haven't heard anything about that. Did we fly a trip to Hawaii? I know the transition agreement allows that on a limited basis. It also allows AWA to go to Europe on a limited basis. But if it a grievance was filed on the Hawaii flying, I guess there must have been a flt to the islands. I'll ask around.

Enjoy your trip, I'll anxiously await your return. Keep that seat warm now, we'll be back...

 

[PHXFLYR]

Quoting the Arbitrator from page 14 mid paragraph
" ... the AWA pilot group overreaches when it demands a one-half share .."

Sounds like you pushed it as hard as you could.

He also said the AAA offer of 10 Capt and 10 F/O Slots were "Less than fair and equitable",too. Looks like the AAA Boys' true colors show once again......

PHXFLYR