Congrats AWA MEC......................

[Frank Lorenzo]

My guess when it is all said and done and we are operating as one airline is that there will probably be an ALPA decertification drive. It was tried several years ago at AWA and failed,but this time I think there is enough disgust in ALPA on both sides of the fence that this time it just might fly. Hope I'm wrong.PHXFLYR

Now I need everyone to just sit back and take a deep breath. There is a lot of crazy talk going on about getting rid of ALPA. This is very disturbing to me and a lot of other executives in the airline industry. If it were not for ALPA, airline management would not have been able to cut airline pilot's pay and benefits in half and pushed your quality of life clauses back decades so easily.

We paid a lot of money to buy off Duane Woerth. It has paid off in spades. Just look at the Primrose path he took his own NWA pilots down! I'd say our little "financial arrangement" with Duane has been more than "Woerth" the money! Ha ha. Sorry, couldn't help it.

Please. Just sit back and think about the stakes involved here. It is not just one executive you will hurt. It is literally DOZENS of executives at the airlines that will be hurt by your recklessness. Without the huge bonuses made possible by pilot's pay cuts and plundered pensions, you are putting many many estates, yachts, country club memberships, and fleets of Mercedes Benz at stake.

Please give. Give till it hurts.

 

[TWA Dude]

Well... They are the best paid in the industry right now

Are they the happiest?

AA still has a pension too!

And that's because of their superior union? And how much longer do we think they'll keep their pensions?

 

[TWA Dude]

You get some of the jobs....be happy about it.

And here we have incontrovertable proof that the Easties got the better of the 190 arbitration: the winners always tell the losers to just "be happy about" what they got. Funny, but I don't recall ever becoming happy as a result of somebody telling me to.

 

[A350]

Noone told you to be happy about the arbitration.....but I suppose when the inevitable screw job comes down towards the 1800+ furloughees at U that have been patiently awaiting their turn at the dinner table you won't be telling me to calm down as we have an airline to run?

Like it or not, these airplanes were ordered PRE merger. The fact that you have any positions on them is a condemnation of the U MEC, not the AWA MEC.

A350

 

[JetMonkey]

....the airplanes were ordered before the merger. Therefore, you have no right to any of it.

They were?? the order came out earlier this year, the merger was official back in Sep 05.

I don't see too many AWA folks wanting to commute to PHL.

Think we all live in PHX huh?

Does that mean anything to any of you or are you going to complain until you retire?

We're pilots, that's what we do.

 

[Bubba Dog]

And here we have incontrovertable proof that the Easties got the better of the 190 arbitration: the winners always tell the losers to just "be happy about" what they got. Funny, but I don't recall ever becoming happy as a result of somebody telling me to.

The distribution of E190 flying is fair when you consider the ratio of east vs west pilot numbers. As a matter of fact when you factor in the furloughed it is exactly 1/3 vs 2/3. The west should have took the original offer from the east of 60/40. By refusing that and forcing the arbitrator to recognize the furloughees, as evidenced in the ratio, it will prove disastrous when seniority integration occurs because the E190 decision has been given the green light to be used as precedence. I hate to say it but you guys did it to your selfs. The furloughees are almost guaranteed a slotting integration now because of the west MEC's decisions.

 

[Doug Parker]

By refusing that and forcing the arbitrator to recognize the furloughees, as evidenced in the ratio, it will prove disastrous when seniority integration occurs because the E190 decision has been given the green light to be used as precedence. I hate to say it but you guys did it to your selfs. The furloughees are almost guaranteed a slotting integration now because of the west MEC's decisions.

Hey BubbaHog,

Maybe you should read the Arbitration Proceedings under ISSUES - #5 before you open your trap about this arbitration being used in the integration.





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[Swaayze]

The furloughees are almost guaranteed a slotting integration now because of the west MEC's decisions.

Ha ha ha, hoo ho haa haa. Woooooeeee that's a funny one right there! I don't care who ya' are!



Not gonna happen.

 

[mrnolmts]

NWN RULES! Carry on, folks...

 

[abefly]

I hate to say it but you guys did it to your selfs. The furloughees are almost guaranteed a slotting integration now because of the west MEC's decisions.[/quote]

Now that is the most entertaining thing I have heard on here in a long time. You feel that the furloughed people should come ahead of active pilots Bubba? Is that what you are hoping for? To screw all the America West Pilots!